I was just playing around when I said he was Alfie. I don't think it's Alfie either. Alfie would have snapped when I said "Come here and give daddy some loving.". Alfie HATED when I flirted with him.
Happy Veteran's Day to all you brave people who are/were in the U.S. armed forces. Thank you for all you do and good luck with your current fight regarding benefits. You should get what you deserve.
BTW Dan, I never gave you proper congrats on that baby boy :)
I have many years to go until Grandfatherhood but it's cool to see my parents with my children, it's a special bond. I have a special bond with my Grandparetns too. Plus I think my Mom and Dad like seeing me go through what I put them through :) Anyway, congrats to you.
The idea that the Bush administration is somehow stingy with the VA is simply absurd. The VA budget has increased by about a third, going from $48 billion a year to $64 billion a year. This year, the VA will provide educational assistance to more than 400,000 people, and guarantee home loans of another 300,000 people, with the total value of about $40 billion.
Thanks Luv. He is definitely the cutest kid on the planet and that's not just because I am the grandfather.
I told my mom that I am too young to be a grandfather. She told me that she is too young to be a great-grandmother. My grandma said she was too young to be a great-great grandmother. I got to get a picture of our 5 generations before it gets too late. I have really been blessed with a healthy family.
Kerry's actions in Vietnam were heroic, but his actions upon his return were inexcusable. Kerry associated with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a rabid anti-war group that defamed United States soldiers and often protested under the banner of the Viet Cong.
Muskwa - (PFID:efa8653) - 10:12am Mar 31, 2004 PST (# 676 of 691) The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we have now. If you hadn't pointed out the difference, I wouldn't have noticed it. If Bill wants to ignore it, fine. But I personally would be hacked off about it.
Well Muskwa... I was, but there's no use...I learned long ago that to fight that particular DOPE, the best course is to ignore him.
But then, immitation is supposed to be the purest form of flattery, and so I should be flattered, I guess?
I hope that at least SOMEof you watched ABC "Primetime" Report the other night, on the absolute-truth about some VA Hospitals, and the continuing fight that Veterans have to pursue as they ask for Good Treatmentat VA Hospitals, from Clevelend to Florida to Temple Texas...?
I hope you saw the men who are tied to hand rails, all day long, so that they won't tip-over?I hope you saw how some men are killed BY the very system they counted on to heal them?I hope you took the time to watch, so that you could see that what I have been screaming about for years is TRUE,and that the VA system is in short supply of caring staff, MONEY, Good Administratorsand crucial good-leadershipat the TOP, (Mr. Principi???) and then help to try to STOP the madness that IS the VAMC system???
Lastly, I hope those of you who have supported sending our young men and women into wars, will also see the absilute-neccessity of giving them ALL quality Health Care,when they return to us... with their broken bodies, and then YEARS LATER, when their wounds again begin to take a toll on their health???
April 8 — Fourteen years ago, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation ignited a firestorm about conditions and competence inside Veterans Administration hospitals.
Recently, there have been new stories of misdiagnosis, disastrous management and deficient care at some of the nation's 162 facilities.
At a hospital near Cleveland, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation found bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement. Supply cabinets were in disarray, with dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies, or left in hallways on gurneys.
At a neighboring facility, examining tables had dried blood and medications still on them. In several areas, open bio-hazardous waste cans were spilling over. Primetime obtained internal memos documenting that the equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments had broken down — causing surgical delays and possible infection risks.
With 130,000 young American men and women putting their lives at risk in Iraq today, these conditions are particularly relevant. While current soldiers are treated in military hospitals, when they leave the service and need treatment, many will seek care at Veterans Affairs (as the Veterans Administration is now known) hospitals.
"Once you come back to be a veteran, it's like a black hole, you know — nothing," former Army Sgt. Vannessa Turner told ABCNEWS. Turner was stricken with a mysterious illness while on duty in Iraq this past year. She retired from the military on medical grounds, and when she reported to a VA hospital for treatment, doctors scheduled her for an appointment six months later.
Veterans who responded to a survey by the American Legion in 2003 said it took an average of seven months to get a first appointment at a VA hospital. In some hospitals, patients have waited as long as two years.
In 1999, Jack Christensen, a former army sergeant who served in the Korean War, was admitted to the VA hospital in Temple, Texas, with pneumonia, and ended up staying three years.
AND that, is only a small part of the story.
ALL Veterans, should give a shit.
ALL of us, should FIGHT to make this system WORK. It is OUR responsibility.
I didn't even know there was such a report going to be on, however, that is why I am going to bote for our president's re-election. As the VFW Commander-in-Chief James N. Goldsmith said in 2002, "A preceding decade of flat and even deficit budgets for VA has placed the system on the brink of disaster." linkI do not wish to return to such failures of a Democrat's administration.
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi has said that President Bush is seeking a record budget of $67.7 billion in the fiscal year 2005 budget for the VA, a $5.6 billion increase in budget authority, primarily targeted for health care and disability compensation. link
I do not wish to return to the days when the Republican congress must save the VA budget from what at the time was called a "disasterous Clinton/Gore budget". link
I'll take a shot at answering your questions. I think you beleive that Conservatives, Republicans etc. are against any taxation. I think taxes are nessecary and a part of our nation. I just disagree with how it's spent most of the time. Generally you'll find that conservatives are in favor of increasing military and veterans pay as well as for things like infastructure etc. There are many many programs that I think Bush has spent waaay to much on and I don't like it one bit. V.A and Military are not one of them and I'm glad he's spending record amounts on them. Talk to me about his immigration ideas, the arts funding, edcation spending etc and there are many ares I am not happy about at all, this just isn't one of them.
May I ask you if you are upset by the spending levels being high ?
If there's revenue steam to pay, it's not a problem.
We can all debate "arts funding and education spending" but how much are you really talking about. I don't think there's a $5.6 billion "arts funding" increase floating around out there.
Do you agree with the president's massive spending increases, Dan? Outpacing the rate of inflation by more than double?
In this case I do. As Fold pointed out, the VA is having problems due to cutbacks during the Clinton administration. It's about time someone stood up for the VA.
Sorry Dan, but the FACT is, that the VA's Budget has been in decline and at the mercy of REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Congress for 2o Years, and THEY have always been the problem.
For Proof, I suggest you look at Mr. Tom Delay's obstructionist VA Policy BLOCKS and CUTS, including the reductions he has FORCED upon the system within the last 3 years.
Lastly, GDUbbya is NOT doing Veterans any favors at The VA, he has NOT increased their Budget to the levels they need, since the levels he has proposed are still FAR AND AWAY less than they WOULD BE, had the people in the Congress and the White House KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION and VA REQUESTS, ever since 1980.
Don't put words in my mouth. K?
The "Conservative" agenda, is to END the VA-System and that process has already begun, IN EARNEST.
That's right, Luv. Not only that, but by forcing more money into the VA than the Clinton/Gore budget wanted and by adding record increases now, the Republicans are trying to "END the VA-System and that process has already begun, IN EARNEST."
This is the real Bill Fold: 'Bill - Fold' - (PFID:efa8614)
'Bill - Fold' "General Politics" 3/20/04 5:17am
This is the fake: 'Bill- Fold' - (PFID:2fce2e2a)
'Bill- Fold' "Iceman's musings" 3/29/04 5:21pm
HAPPY VETERANS DAY ALL! THANKS FOR SERVING OUR COUNTRY!
I don't know for sure, that's why I'm not saying.
Here is a clue for you guys...link
Thanks to all the men and women who have or are currently serving!
Here is a clue for you guys
I was just playing around when I said he was Alfie. I don't think it's Alfie either. Alfie would have snapped when I said "Come here and give daddy some loving.". Alfie HATED when I flirted with him.
:-)
Happy Veteran's Day to all you brave people who are/were in the U.S. armed forces. Thank you for all you do and good luck with your current fight regarding benefits. You should get what you deserve.
I see. I thought that maybe there was a name change somewhere along the line.
Happy Veterans Day!!!
Sincere thanks to all Vets retired and active for your service and your sacrifices. God bless each and every one of you.
Hi Rob!!!
I agree, whoever it is should be booted from all the boards here.
T'WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS,
HE LIVED ALL ALONE,
IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF
PLASTER AND STONE.
_________
I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY
WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE,
AND TO SEE JUST WHO
IN THIS HOME DID LIVE.
________
I LOOKED ALL ABOUT,
A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE,
NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS,
NOT EVEN A TREE.
________
NO STOCKING BY MANTLE,
JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND,
ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES
OF FAR DISTANT LANDS.
__________
WITH MEDALS AND BADGES,
AWARDS OF ALL KINDS,
A SOBER THOUGHT
CAME THROUGH MY MIND.
________
FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT,
IT WAS DARK AND DREARY,
I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER,
ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY.
_______
THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING,
SILENT, ALONE,
CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR
IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME.
________
THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE,
THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER,
NOT HOW I PICTURED
A UNITED STATES SOLDIER.
________
WAS THIS THE HERO
OF WHOM I'D JUST READ?
CURLED UP ON A PONCHO,
THE FLOOR FOR A BED?
________
I REALIZED THE FAMILIES
THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT,
OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS
WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT.
SOON ROUND THE WORLD,
THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY,
AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE
A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY.
________
THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM
EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR,
BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS,
LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE.
________
I COULDN'T HELP WONDER
HOW MANY LAY ALONE,
ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE
IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME.
________
THE VERY THOUGHT
BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE,
I DROPPED TO MY KNEES
AND STARTED TO CRY.
________
THE SOLDIER AWAKENED
AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE,
"SANTA DON'T CRY,
THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE;
________
I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM,
I DON'T ASK FOR MORE,
MY LIFE IS MY GOD,
MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS."
________
THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER
AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP,
I COULDN'T CONTROL IT,
I CONTINUED TO WEEP.
_________
I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS,
SO SILENT AND STILL
AND WE BOTH SHIVERED
FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL.
_________
I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE
ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT,
THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR
SO WILLING TO FIGHT.
THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER,
WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE,
WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA,
IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE."
ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH,
AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT.
"MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND,
AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT.
BTW Dan, I never gave you proper congrats on that baby boy :)
I have many years to go until Grandfatherhood but it's cool to see my parents with my children, it's a special bond. I have a special bond with my Grandparetns too. Plus I think my Mom and Dad like seeing me go through what I put them through :) Anyway, congrats to you.
This day in history.
God I miss my Gramps!
The idea that the Bush administration is somehow stingy with the VA is simply absurd. The VA budget has increased by about a third, going from $48 billion a year to $64 billion a year. This year, the VA will provide educational assistance to more than 400,000 people, and guarantee home loans of another 300,000 people, with the total value of about $40 billion.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20031216.shtml
Thanks Luv. He is definitely the cutest kid on the planet and that's not just because I am the grandfather.
I told my mom that I am too young to be a grandfather. She told me that she is too young to be a great-grandmother. My grandma said she was too young to be a great-great grandmother. I got to get a picture of our 5 generations before it gets too late. I have really been blessed with a healthy family.
My my my. What will fold have to say about this?
I got to get a picture of our 5 generations before it gets too late. I have really been blessed with a healthy family.
absolutely! one of my cousins has one of those.
nothing, when the facts are there.
My sister has one with 4 generations. It really is a family treasure.
AAAARRGGHH. I see my picture did not work. Trying again.
Kerry's actions in Vietnam were heroic, but his actions upon his return were inexcusable. Kerry associated with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a rabid anti-war group that defamed United States soldiers and often protested under the banner of the Viet Cong.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/bs20040211.shtml
There you go, Dan.
You haven't posted on this board since Nov. 10th, fold. Not even bitching about GW's 38% increase in funding. Things must be going good then.
Come back around in another 3 1/2 months and report to me.
Muskwa - (PFID:efa8653) - 10:12am Mar 31, 2004 PST (# 676 of 691)
The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we have now.
If you hadn't pointed out the difference, I wouldn't have noticed it. If Bill wants to ignore it, fine. But I personally would be hacked off about it.
Well Muskwa... I was, but there's no use...I learned long ago that to fight that particular DOPE, the best course is to ignore him.
But then, immitation is supposed to be the purest form of flattery, and so I should be flattered, I guess?
Where are you fold. Still on other boards tonight insulting me?
Good for you, Bill. But whoever it is, he's pathetic.
For what it is worth, Fold, people here who disagree with you on many of the issues are on your side concerning this.
It's the same I.D. # going back to at least last Sept.
I know that Dan, and it's good to know...For what it's worth,
they like you too.
I hope that at least
SOME of you watched ABC "Primetime" Report the other night, on the absolute-truth about some VA Hospitals, and the continuing fight that Veterans have to pursue as they ask for
Good Treatment at VA Hospitals,
from Clevelend to Florida to Temple Texas...?
I hope you saw the men who are
tied to hand rails, all day long, so that they won't tip-over? I hope you saw how some men are
killed BY the very system they counted on to heal them? I hope you took the time to watch, so that you could see that what I have been screaming about for years is
TRUE, and that the VA system is in short supply of caring staff, MONEY,
Good Administrators and
crucial good-leadership at the TOP, (Mr. Principi???) and then help to try to STOP the madness that IS the VAMC system???
Lastly, I hope those of you who have supported sending our young men and women into wars, will also see the absilute-neccessity of giving them ALL
quality Health Care, when they return to us... with their broken bodies, and then YEARS LATER, when their wounds again begin to take a toll on their health???
I truly hope you all watched that story.
Just a matter of a missing space between the name and the hyphen. You don't suppose it's Bill's old nemesis Sloop, do you?
April 8 — Fourteen years ago, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation ignited a firestorm about conditions and competence inside Veterans Administration hospitals.
Recently, there have been new stories of misdiagnosis, disastrous management and deficient care at some of the nation's 162 facilities.
At a hospital near Cleveland, an ABCNEWS hidden-camera investigation found bathrooms filthy with what appeared to be human excrement. Supply cabinets were in disarray, with dirty linens from some patients mixed in with clean supplies, or left in hallways on gurneys.
At a neighboring facility, examining tables had dried blood and medications still on them. In several areas, open bio-hazardous waste cans were spilling over. Primetime obtained internal memos documenting that the equipment used to sterilize surgical instruments had broken down — causing surgical delays and possible infection risks.
With 130,000 young American men and women putting their lives at risk in Iraq today, these conditions are particularly relevant. While current soldiers are treated in military hospitals, when they leave the service and need treatment, many will seek care at Veterans Affairs (as the Veterans Administration is now known) hospitals.
"Once you come back to be a veteran, it's like a black hole, you know — nothing," former Army Sgt. Vannessa Turner told ABCNEWS.
Turner was stricken with a mysterious illness while on duty in Iraq this past year. She retired from the military on medical grounds, and when she reported to a VA hospital for treatment, doctors scheduled her for an appointment six months later.
Veterans who responded to a survey by the American Legion in 2003 said it took an average of seven months to get a first appointment at a VA hospital. In some hospitals, patients have waited as long as two years.
In 1999, Jack Christensen, a former army sergeant who served in the Korean War, was admitted to the VA hospital in Temple, Texas, with pneumonia, and ended up staying three years.
AND that, is only a small part of the story.
ALL Veterans,
should give a shit.
ALL of us, should FIGHT to make this system WORK.
It is OUR responsibility.
You don't suppose it's Bill's old nemesis Sloop, do you?
I personally don't think so.
I think I know who it is, but I'm not gonna say. I'd rather just ignore the crap.
I didn't even know there was such a report going to be on, however, that is why I am going to bote for our president's re-election. As the VFW Commander-in-Chief James N. Goldsmith said in 2002, "A preceding decade of flat and even deficit budgets for VA has placed the system on the brink of disaster." linkI do not wish to return to such failures of a Democrat's administration.
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi has said that President Bush is seeking a record budget of $67.7 billion in the fiscal year 2005 budget for the VA, a $5.6 billion increase in budget authority, primarily targeted for health care and disability compensation. link
I do not wish to return to the days when the Republican congress must save the VA budget from what at the time was called a "disasterous Clinton/Gore budget". link
If you hadn't pointed out the difference, I wouldn't have noticed it. If Bill wants to ignore it, fine. But I personally would be hacked off about it.
Do you agree with the president's massive spending increases, Dan? Outpacing the rate of inflation by more than double?
Well, the fake is blocked from the PPWC threads.
That's all I can do.
Grandpa Dan Zachary 4/11/04 10:16am
Hmmm. 700k Joe.
Rick,
I'll take a shot at answering your questions. I think you beleive that Conservatives, Republicans etc. are against any taxation. I think taxes are nessecary and a part of our nation. I just disagree with how it's spent most of the time. Generally you'll find that conservatives are in favor of increasing military and veterans pay as well as for things like infastructure etc. There are many many programs that I think Bush has spent waaay to much on and I don't like it one bit. V.A and Military are not one of them and I'm glad he's spending record amounts on them. Talk to me about his immigration ideas, the arts funding, edcation spending etc and there are many ares I am not happy about at all, this just isn't one of them.
May I ask you if you are upset by the spending levels being high ?
I think I know who it is, but I'm not gonna say.
Come on JT, who is it?
Does it keep me up at night? -- no.
If there's revenue steam to pay, it's not a problem.
We can all debate "arts funding and education spending" but how much are you really talking about. I don't think there's a $5.6 billion "arts funding" increase floating around out there.
I don't know for sure, that's why I'm not saying.
It would just be a guess at this point.
I don't think it's Sloop though.
I think what we're debating is whether arts and education should be funded at the federal level at all.
I e-grammed Lance about it once and never heard back. Seems to me that anyone doing that should get the boot from every thread. Just my opinion.
P.S, Hi Muskwa :)
Do you agree with the president's massive spending increases, Dan? Outpacing the rate of inflation by more than double?
In this case I do. As Fold pointed out, the VA is having problems due to cutbacks during the Clinton administration. It's about time someone stood up for the VA.
Do you agree with the president's massive spending increases, Dan? Outpacing the rate of inflation by more than double?
I don't.
Sorry Dan, but the FACT is, that the VA's Budget has been in decline and at the mercy of REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Congress for 2o Years, and THEY have always been the problem.
For Proof, I suggest you look at Mr. Tom Delay's obstructionist VA Policy BLOCKS and CUTS, including the reductions he has FORCED upon the system within the last 3 years.
Lastly, GDUbbya is NOT doing Veterans any favors at The VA, he has NOT increased their Budget to the levels they need, since the levels he has proposed are still FAR AND AWAY less than they WOULD BE, had the people in the Congress and the White House KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION and VA REQUESTS,
ever since 1980.
Don't put words in my mouth. K?
The "Conservative" agenda, is to END the VA-System and that process has already begun,
IN EARNEST.
You are absolutely nuts.
A record increase is now a cut. And congress was controlled by Republicans for 20 years ? Damn, somebody should have told congress.
That's right, Luv. Not only that, but by forcing more money into the VA than the Clinton/Gore budget wanted and by adding record increases now, the Republicans are trying to "END the VA-System and that process has already begun, IN EARNEST."
Yeah, right...
CUTBACKS, are
CUTS.
An "Increase" that is LESS than the system NEEDS, is NOT sufficient and the VA has NOT improved under
Goober Bush, and in fact it is WORSE than EVER.
But of course, you "experts" that
NEVER GO THERE know better than I do...most certainly!
no one thinks they have as much as they need for the pet projects.