Yes, the medallion has been found, but there's still lots to talk about. Feel the need for more than virtual discussion? Then join the Re-Hash Bash, Sunday, Jan. 27, at noon at Merriam Park in St. Paul.
New Daddy
Allison- that song is great!! sorry it wasn't you who made that post, I guess it was so good I thought it had to be you. If anybody's interested there is a great analysis of prior clue tendencies by Bax-Man72 #9532 from the 2001 hunt.
I think I remember now the post New Daddy was referring to, but I don't think I made it. Hence I haven't been able to find it. Still, with all the "rules" one might infer from the patterns of the past, it seemed last year at least that the cluewriter was out to break all those rules. And even though the hunt went longer last year by two clues, I suspect it still may not have been long enough to make them happy, so they continue to try and break those unwritten rules.
nevermind nd, it was 9532 and here it is in its entirety (and if 666 is a satanic joe, is this an uber-satanic joe?):
Bax-Man72 - 06:03pm Jan 17, 2001 CST (#9532 of 28288) Hunt #3 for this non-MN Native! Well I wouldn't agree and say they were bad clues, but I felt that last year's clue #5 was just too easy to be Newell. Of course I stood about 10 feet from where the medallion was eventually found and thought to myself "nahhh, not there" so go figure!
Anyway the idea of "too easy" got me looking at the past 20 years worth of clues and explanations (from the Cooler Crew Website) looking for what the first 5 clues had to say and what really is "too easy" and here are some interesting (or not) numbers:
# of times the "blanket" clue has indicated Ramsey County: 8 # of times the "blanket" clue has indicated St. Paul: 10 (including the last 5 years) # of times the "blanket" clue has indicated neither: 3 (94, 89, 80)
# of times the specific park was indicated by a clue: 2 Clue #4: 1 (97) Clue #5: 1 (94)
# of times a park with a golf course has been excluded: 2 (00, 99)
# of times a specific park(s) has been excluded my means other than not a golf-course: 3 Clue #1: 1 (86) Clue #4: 1 (97) Clue #5: 1 (96)
# of times a street near the park is indicated: 6 Clue #1: 1 (93) Clue #4: 1 (94) Clue #5: 4 (00, 98, 97, 82)
# of times a directional area in the city or county was indicated: 2 (97, 84)
# of times an activity available in the park (skiing, sledding, horseshoes, etc.) is mentioned: 10 Clue #2: 3 (99, 90 87) Clue #3: 2 (98, 80) Clue #4: 3 (00, 91, 82) Clue #5: 2 (93, 80)
# of times what the medallion is in is mentioned: 18 Clue #1: 2 (95,89) Clue #2: 6 (00, 97, 96, 92, 91, 83) Clue #3: 6 (94, 93, 88, 86, 84, 82) Clue #4: 4 (00, 95, 91, 82) Clue #5: 2 (93,80)
# of times landmarks around the park are mentioned: 25 Clue #1: 1 (92) Clue #2: 2 (98, 84) Clue #3: 9 (00, 99, 96, 95, 92, 91, 89, 87, 81) Clue #4: 4 (98, 93, 92, 85) Clue #5: 9 (99, 98, 95, 92, 91, 88, 8, 85, 83)
# of times landmarks in the park are mentioned: 26 Clue #1: 1 (91) Clue #2: 7 (99, 92, 91, 90, 88, 87, 85, 84) Clue #3: 3 (97, 95, 90) Clue #4: 8 (00, 96, 89, 88, 87, 86, 81, 80) Clue #5: 6 (97, 93, 92, 90, 89, 86)
# of times another event held in the park was mentioned: 1 Clue #2: 1 (89 Taste of MN at the Capitol Grounds)
Now assuming that early on in the hunt a "meaningful" clue is one that helps narrow it to a park, specifically one that a) indicates a park by name or b) excludes a park by name or other means or c) indicates a street near the park, and not one that talks about landmarks in the park or near it as there are so many possible interpretations, then:
A) 12 of 20 times a "meaningful" clue has been mentioned in the first 5 over the past 20 years or 60% of the time. (So maybe last year wasn't "too easy", it happens about 1/2 the time, of course street names only happen 6/20 or 30%, but that is okay for this argument)
and
B) There was only a 1 in 5 chance in the each of those years (except 00 which had 2) that of the first 5 clues a particular clue was the "meaningful" clue!
So that means we have about a 60% chance of having a 20% chance of noodling the correct clue in the first 5 to get us to the right park!
Don't know if anyone cares about that or not, but it kept me busy in the past couple of "pre-hunt" days so I thought I'd share! I'm just glad I've got you people to steal from! :)
one day, md, i'll actually have it up on my web site.
step, maureen hursey and her brother steve found it in chair-o-key and she hangs around in here. i don't know if she was here before she found it though. and if you haven't been slogging, step, we had some rather annoying personages here the last 2 nites. thankfully the room has been cleared of them.
i'd say that under the overpass or at victoria & 35e, which is not actually part of linwood, or under the mailbox, would qualify as the smallest area ever used. park-wise, newell comes to mind as being one of the smaller ones, i'm pretty sure its smaller than conway.
Well, the 35 and Victoria thing was ages ago right? So we can sort of rule something like that out from happening again. But the parks you mentioned...Newell, Marydale, Conway, etc... Are all much larger than parks like Mears as well as Most of the Rec Centers. Really there are only 10 or so parks the same size or bigger than newell. IF we use that it sure limits the field.
Jake Inge has entered the building. Mears Park is by far the smallest "park" it has been hidden in. And on that note, Jake Inge is now leaving the building......
well tim, i was thinking more on the order of if you pass, you get the 10000 dollars. if you don't well, you get an attaboy and a "come back next year"
I am a St Paul history collector. by the way, has anyone played WHO WANTS TO BE A MINNESOTA MILLIONAIRE? I have the questions around here somewhere, I will look for them and get it posted-very fun.
oh and incidentally, scribe, jt, and any of my other doubters, step can vouch for me too. i graduated with his sister and he graduated with my brother.
you know though Ares, the ASM and spotters are not conversing with us and you are...so...are we imagining a conversation with you? you must be real. I know, I know...just keep telling myself that... Ares is real, Ares is real, there's no place like home. :)
Allison- that song is great!! sorry it wasn't you who made that post, I guess it was so good I thought it had to be you. If anybody's interested there is a great analysis of prior clue tendencies by Bax-Man72 #9532 from the 2001 hunt.
Where New Daddy?
I think I remember now the post New Daddy was referring to, but I don't think I made it. Hence I haven't been able to find it. Still, with all the "rules" one might infer from the patterns of the past, it seemed last year at least that the cluewriter was out to break all those rules. And even though the hunt went longer last year by two clues, I suspect it still may not have been long enough to make them happy, so they continue to try and break those unwritten rules.
Those changes seem ok Ares.
You mean the '01 hunt New Daddy?
Allison/Ares - that is great, wonderful, magnificient. :)
sorry I guess I just lost a decade. It was the 01 hunt #9532, great noodling; you should all bookmark it for further refernce.
you sure it was 9536, new daddy? i'm looking at the '01 hunt but to no avail.
Sorry again that is why I had such a hard time finding it again it was # 9532.
nevermind nd, it was 9532 and here it is in its entirety (and if 666 is a satanic joe, is this an uber-satanic joe?):
Bax-Man72 - 06:03pm Jan 17, 2001 CST (#9532 of 28288) Hunt #3 for this non-MN Native! Well I wouldn't agree and say they were bad clues, but I felt that last year's clue #5 was just too easy to be Newell. Of course I stood about 10 feet from where the medallion was eventually found and thought to myself "nahhh, not there" so go figure!
Anyway the idea of "too easy" got me looking at the past 20 years worth of clues and explanations (from the Cooler Crew Website) looking for what the first 5 clues had to say and what really is "too easy" and here are some interesting (or not) numbers:
# of times the "blanket" clue has indicated Ramsey County: 8 # of times the "blanket" clue has indicated St. Paul: 10 (including the last 5 years) # of times the "blanket" clue has indicated neither: 3 (94, 89, 80)
# of times the specific park was indicated by a clue: 2 Clue #4: 1 (97) Clue #5: 1 (94)
# of times a park with a golf course has been excluded: 2 (00, 99)
# of times a specific park(s) has been excluded my means other than not a golf-course: 3 Clue #1: 1 (86) Clue #4: 1 (97) Clue #5: 1 (96)
# of times a street near the park is indicated: 6 Clue #1: 1 (93) Clue #4: 1 (94) Clue #5: 4 (00, 98, 97, 82)
# of times a directional area in the city or county was indicated: 2 (97, 84)
# of times an activity available in the park (skiing, sledding, horseshoes, etc.) is mentioned: 10 Clue #2: 3 (99, 90 87) Clue #3: 2 (98, 80) Clue #4: 3 (00, 91, 82) Clue #5: 2 (93, 80)
# of times what the medallion is in is mentioned: 18 Clue #1: 2 (95,89) Clue #2: 6 (00, 97, 96, 92, 91, 83) Clue #3: 6 (94, 93, 88, 86, 84, 82) Clue #4: 4 (00, 95, 91, 82) Clue #5: 2 (93,80)
# of times landmarks around the park are mentioned: 25 Clue #1: 1 (92) Clue #2: 2 (98, 84) Clue #3: 9 (00, 99, 96, 95, 92, 91, 89, 87, 81) Clue #4: 4 (98, 93, 92, 85) Clue #5: 9 (99, 98, 95, 92, 91, 88, 8, 85, 83)
# of times landmarks in the park are mentioned: 26 Clue #1: 1 (91) Clue #2: 7 (99, 92, 91, 90, 88, 87, 85, 84) Clue #3: 3 (97, 95, 90) Clue #4: 8 (00, 96, 89, 88, 87, 86, 81, 80) Clue #5: 6 (97, 93, 92, 90, 89, 86)
# of times another event held in the park was mentioned: 1 Clue #2: 1 (89 Taste of MN at the Capitol Grounds)
Now assuming that early on in the hunt a "meaningful" clue is one that helps narrow it to a park, specifically one that a) indicates a park by name or b) excludes a park by name or other means or c) indicates a street near the park, and not one that talks about landmarks in the park or near it as there are so many possible interpretations, then:
A) 12 of 20 times a "meaningful" clue has been mentioned in the first 5 over the past 20 years or 60% of the time. (So maybe last year wasn't "too easy", it happens about 1/2 the time, of course street names only happen 6/20 or 30%, but that is okay for this argument)
and
B) There was only a 1 in 5 chance in the each of those years (except 00 which had 2) that of the first 5 clues a particular clue was the "meaningful" clue!
So that means we have about a 60% chance of having a 20% chance of noodling the correct clue in the first 5 to get us to the right park!
Don't know if anyone cares about that or not, but it kept me busy in the past couple of "pre-hunt" days so I thought I'd share! I'm just glad I've got you people to steal from! :)
wow! thats good brain food!
And, thank you Ares, for creating that master archive!
That's why the cooler is so great, and one of us will find it this year, cauz there are so many smart people here...
Cooler Heads Prevail!
has anyone from the cooler found the puck in the history of the cooler?
anyone want to take bets on when that psycho "MATT" guy comes in and tells everyone how stupid they are and how great he is?????
Remember that guy?
I remember him. He was kind of annyoying in his delivery but not totally without a point.
one day, md, i'll actually have it up on my web site.
step, maureen hursey and her brother steve found it in chair-o-key and she hangs around in here. i don't know if she was here before she found it though. and if you haven't been slogging, step, we had some rather annoying personages here the last 2 nites. thankfully the room has been cleared of them.
One question: What was the smallest park ever used for the hunt, area wise i mean? Anyone know offhand?
i'd say that under the overpass or at victoria & 35e, which is not actually part of linwood, or under the mailbox, would qualify as the smallest area ever used. park-wise, newell comes to mind as being one of the smaller ones, i'm pretty sure its smaller than conway.
Marydale was also pretty small
Ares, do you have a website? What is it?
Mike, Newell was pretty small, but I don't know, officially.
follow the link off my name, md. hmm. marydale. that qualifies as pretty small, too.
Marydale is one of my best bets this year, along with phalen, hidden falls, highland...
Well, the 35 and Victoria thing was ages ago right? So we can sort of rule something like that out from happening again. But the parks you mentioned...Newell, Marydale, Conway, etc... Are all much larger than parks like Mears as well as Most of the Rec Centers. Really there are only 10 or so parks the same size or bigger than newell. IF we use that it sure limits the field.
Prosperity is a very small park, with a great rec center to warm up in..
Jake Inge has entered the building. Mears Park is by far the smallest "park" it has been hidden in. And on that note, Jake Inge is now leaving the building......
Someone earlier mentioned that Hidden Falls was just remodeled or something? Any news on what is going on there?
Mike, Hidden falls hasn't remodeled that I know of but Harriet Island has.
I just called the Parks Dept, and they said Hidden Falls was not renovated within the past year.
Hi all back between school and work. No school tomarrow or monday!!!!
NO more early mornins til the hunt starts!!!! Woooooooooooooooooo!!!
Rub it in Tim, rub it in. ;-)
tim you slacker. or lucky. or both. i gotta get up and go to work both days :(
I am sorry, I am just excited!!!! PLus I am done with ap american history!!!!! Woooooo
so now you can take ap st. paul history, huh?
I wish!
If I could get a class that involved the hunt in any way, I would ace it! I thought about newspaper, but they are dumb.
well tim, i was thinking more on the order of if you pass, you get the 10000 dollars. if you don't well, you get an attaboy and a "come back next year"
10000 big ones! this is gonna rock
Hi everyone- there is no way I have time to catch up and read 600 entries since last night! WoW! and who is gonna be post 6666?!
ha, it's me!!!!! ME2 hahahahaha- oooops 6666!
not to brag, me2, but i got the uber-satanic joe!
Hey Tim? you need a St Paul history lesson, eh? I love to talk about St Paul!
I am a St Paul history collector. by the way, has anyone played WHO WANTS TO BE A MINNESOTA MILLIONAIRE? I have the questions around here somewhere, I will look for them and get it posted-very fun.
so step, if you're still here, what have you been up to lately?
oh and incidentally, scribe, jt, and any of my other doubters, step can vouch for me too. i graduated with his sister and he graduated with my brother.
Has anyone else met step?
ya know, me2, that's a good question. lol. so much for that proof of existence theory!
you know though Ares, the ASM and spotters are not conversing with us and you are...so...are we imagining a conversation with you? you must be real. I know, I know...just keep telling myself that... Ares is real, Ares is real, there's no place like home. :)
He can vouch that you exist?