"Is hillary's book a good read Rick? Wait a minute. How can it be. "
I've just read exerpts, But I think it's short on pictures, Torpedo. Probably not a choice for you.
It's already making money. Good capitalist like yourself can't have a beef with that.
I've heard Rush Limbaugh talk about it, usually comparing the sales of his books with her book and tracking the two, and where both were at at certain points in publication. He seems concerned about that, for some reason.
I use only legal drugs but not often. I can't tell you the full chemical names. And, as you might have guessed, I don't care what the full chemical names may be.
no...I didn't ask the legal status of the drugs he took...I asked what drugs he took.
what are the names of the drugs you use?
it's a simple enough question...and no need for technical names...the common names are quite enough.
you know...nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, aspirin, neosporin, claratin...whatever.
Me? I use nicotine, caffeine and occasionally marijuana in addition to sometimes needing a dose of Glucophage for my diabetes...that's about the extent of it.
Man, I go away for a day to do actual real life three dimensional things, and suddenly I’m chicken little.
Well, fine.
It happens time after time after time. When you don't agree with the liberal agenda or use them in a fictitious example
The operative word in that sentence of course being FICTITIOUS.
it's slander/an attack/ blah-blah-blah
And what would you call a fictitious portrayal of another?
and your told to go away.
I never told you to go anywhere. I told you to stop with the ‘fictitious examples’ of the people you are supposedly trying to have a discussion with, and discuss with facts.
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Ain’t nappy time great? ;)
If you don't like what I post Nymph,
I don’t care much for rediculous accusations, but if you want to actually support your point of view with real information, I am more than willing to discuss with you.
don't give me so much ammunition.
And what ammunition did I give you for your ‘fictitious’ attacks on my integrety?
fold turned tail and ran.
LOL! You are just too cute.
You certainly can too if you can't take it.
Seems to me that the one doing the ‘fictitious’ attacking is the one who has run out of reasonable arguement to support a dead point of view.
;)
"Legislation should be based on harm to others".
Exactly. Bravo to whoever said this. But I must say that I doubt it was Torpor.
I don’t care much for rediculous accusations, but if you want to actually support your point of view with real information, I am more than willing to discuss with you.
The problem is, nymph, you are wrong and won't admit it. I have no problem with that. Liberals and conservatives are at war. There is no need to try to discuss anything. Let's just fight. Just so there is no mistake I despise liberals. They are a danger to real freedom.
Spouting freedom while saying you want to lock up pot smokers.
Spouting freedom when I can't walk around in the park at night because the rapist that got caught last month was back on the street a week later due to overcrowding of the prison system because they are all full of pot smokers.
Build tons more prisons dude, cause when you people finally get around to locking up everyone who doesn't do it "your way" you will need more prisons than apartment complexes and most of your "fellow Americans" will be in jail.
The problem is, nymph, you are wrong and won't admit it.
the real problem is this is not true which is why you can only say it is and not show it is.
I have no problem with that. Liberals and conservatives are at war. There is no need to try to discuss anything. Let's just fight. Just so there is no mistake I despise liberals. They are a danger to real freedom
anyone who defends this "war" on drug users is a real danger to freedom.
Here's a glaring fact. crabs and nymph can't even go to 1 other thread for discussions. Why are they both stuck here trying to defend they're precious world illegal drugs?
As far a legislation to protect people from harm, I already know the answer from these two. "Yeah that's great but don't apply it to my drugs".
What drugs do I use? It's NONE of your damn business which LEGAL drugs I may or may not use.
Here's a glaring fact. crabs and nymph can't even go to 1 other thread for discussions.
LOL! Dude, try to figger out the search function.
Why are they both stuck here trying to defend they're precious world illegal drugs?
Torpor, you really take the cake man. Marijuana is not illegal in all the countries of the world. Neither is cocaine, amphetemines, barbituates, hallucenogens of many types both natural and manmade.
And it is not the drugs that are precious to me.
What is precious to me is my FREEDOMto decide for myself.
If I ate rat poison, would you put me in jail for it?
DOUBLE-CROSSED: Black Ops, Beltway Bandits & the US Shadow Government
by Uri Dowbenko
What would you do if Ollie North and his covert Iran-Contra network owed you $200,000?
   All things considered, you might have better luck collecting from the Gambino or Colombo Family, the New York based mob syndicates. At least they claim to be men of honor.
   And that's Al Martin's dilemma. He's been placed in what he calls the "jack box," the untenable position of being owed money by an illegal black ops network of Iran-Contra players. This outfit includes military and intel officers, government bureaucrats, and "beltway bandits," fraudsters and so-called "consultants" who feed at the trough of corrupt Washington politics and dirty deals.
   In short, Al Martin has been double-crossed.
(continue)
Al Martin is definitely the man who knows too much. He knows too much about government fraud at the highest levels. About Iran Contra. And about the conspirators themselves.
   As a fourth level player of Iran Contra, just below Ollie North, George Bush Jr. and Jeb Bush, he knows about the scams and dirty deals that never stopped.
   And why is this story important? Because the so-called Iran-Contra frauds are ongoing and they continue to cost billion of dollars a year for American taxpayers
(continued)
Whistleblower Al Martin has testified before the congressional Kerry Committee as well as the Alexander Committee regarding the egregious frauds of Iran-Contra.
   Because of what he's seen, Al Martin has recently been in hiding, targeted by these same bureaucrat-perps.
   How did it start? When George Bush, Bill Casey and Oliver North initiated their plan of wholesale fraud and drug smuggling, they envisioned using 500 men to raise $35 billion.
   When Iran-Contra finally fell apart, they ended up using 5,000 operatives and making $350 billion in covert revenue streams to fund their illegal secret operations.
   And who is Al Martin? After he retired as a Lt. Commander from the US Naval Reserves, Al Martin's life went into the fast lane as a black ops specialist, an ONI (Office of National Intelligence) officer.
At a meeting with General Richard V. Secord and government-protected con man Lawrence Richard Hamil, Martin was briefed about Iran-Contra operations and allowed to view CIA white papers on "Operation Black Eagle," the insiders' code name for the illegal program of government-sanctioned narcotics
(continued)
"Some of the significant names you will find as principals in these frauds include, but are not limited to George Bush, Sr., George Bush, Jr., Jeb Bush, Neil Bush, and George Bush, Sr.'s daughter, Dorothy Bush's husband, who is Jimmy Le Blonde, Jr.," he continues.
   "His father is the famous Colonel Jimmy Le Blonde of Air America and Iran-Contra fame. By the way, Colonel Le Blonde held a congressional record for invoking the phrase, 'I don't recall,' 117 times, when he was asked questions about Southern Air Transport's involvement in Iran-Contra cocaine and weapons trafficking."
   "Other names include former Frank Carlucci, former Assistant Secretary of State, Elliott Abrams, former Assistant Secretary of State, Bernard Aronson, former Under-Secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger, and former Assistant Secretary of State, Richard Armitage," Martin continues.
   "Involved in fraud on the CIA side of the ledger, the list would include former Deputy Director of Operations, Clair George, Assistant Deputy Directory of Operations, Allan Fiers, a variety of station chiefs, and CIA Internal sub-Director, Dewey Clarridge."
   "On the military side, I have divided the 'scamscateers' into both active and retired. The retired group is quite substantial. In the fraud file, there are names like, but not limited to, Maj. Gen. Richard Vernon Secord, Maj. Gen. John K. Singlaub, Brig. General Harry C. Aderholt, Col. Sam Dutton, Col. Richard Gadd, Col. Robert Steele, Lt. Col. Jack Terrell, Lt. Col. Duke Rome, and Maj. John N. Piowatty."
   "The officers I just mentioned were all retired, and of course, are notorious Iran-Contra figures. They are often just placed into their involvement with Southern Air Transport and its subsidiaries with regards to the trafficking of weapons and cocaine and the liaison facility these men provided between the NSC and the CIA, vis-a-vis the Honduran armed forces, the El Salvadoran Air Force, the Colombian and Venezuelan Air Forces, etc. They are seldom looked at in the context of fraud which they were involved in to line their own pockets. This was fraud committed under the banner of Iran-Contra and fraud for which they were never prosecuted."
yea...but unlike you, I don't think I should be able to force this answer by law.
you said it what was none of your business.
no...Bill Hicks said that.
I don't want you to get confused again.
no problem...I wasn't confused the first time.
it's you, by means of the laws you support, who are saying that it's your business...now, which is it? I agree with Bill, but as long as you support these laws, you are saying it is indeed my (everyone's) business. Since you support it not being none of my business, I figured I'd ask.
You're in La-La Land crabs. (not surprising) Who the hell is Bill Hicks? One of your multiple personalities? Man there's something wrong with you. Oh yeah! All the dope!!
Seriously, it's time for re-hab. As long as you pay for it.
Look out for those evil black helicopters in your corn flakes nympho. I'm sure their also delivering the goods over you're house right now. They're in the stealth mode so you can't hear them...Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
So, you wanna quit the defamation bullshit and have an actual discussion with actual facts, or would you rather continue calling people names as support of your position?
See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs, man. - Bill Hicks
Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural? - Bill Hicks
They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference. - Bill Hicks
Seems to me that is all you have posted most of your time here is immaterial bullshit and name calling.
So you wanna get material, answer the question, what do you think of your governments involvement in drug trafficking while at the same time waging a war on drug users?
Annual drug deaths: tobacco: 395,000, alcohol: 125,000, 'legal' drugs: 38,000, illegal drug overdoses: 5,200, marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war? - William A. Turnbow
"Is hillary's book a good read Rick? Wait a minute. How can it be. "
I've just read exerpts, But I think it's short on pictures, Torpedo. Probably not a choice for you.
It's already making money. Good capitalist like yourself can't have a beef with that.
I've heard Rush Limbaugh talk about it, usually comparing the sales of his books with her book and tracking the two, and where both were at at certain points in publication. He seems concerned about that, for some reason.
I'm interested in reading her book.
I won't buy one though.
what drugs do you use?
Legal ones.
that wasn't the question I was asking.
It appears to be the question you were asking.
let me ask it then. what specificdrugs do you use, preferably noted by giving their full chemical names?
I use only legal drugs but not often. I can't tell you the full chemical names. And, as you might have guessed, I don't care what the full chemical names may be.
Torpedo, in the General Politics thread:
Did ya read that crabs and nymph?
"Legislation should be based on harm to others".
Now go back to the drug thread.
OK, here we are. What did you want to say, Torp?
no...I didn't ask the legal status of the drugs he took...I asked what drugs he took.
what are the names of the drugs you use?
it's a simple enough question...and no need for technical names...the common names are quite enough.
you know...nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, aspirin, neosporin, claratin...whatever.
Me? I use nicotine, caffeine and occasionally marijuana in addition to sometimes needing a dose of Glucophage for my diabetes...that's about the extent of it.
I agree wholeheartedly with this, Torpedo...do you?
Man, I go away for a day to do actual real life three dimensional things, and suddenly I’m chicken little.
Well, fine.
It happens time after time after time. When you don't agree with the liberal agenda or use them in a fictitious example
The operative word in that sentence of course being FICTITIOUS.
it's slander/an attack/ blah-blah-blah
And what would you call a fictitious portrayal of another?
and your told to go away.
I never told you to go anywhere.
I told you to stop with the ‘fictitious examples’ of the people you are supposedly trying to have a discussion with, and discuss with facts.
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Ain’t nappy time great?
;)
If you don't like what I post Nymph,
I don’t care much for rediculous accusations, but if you want to actually support your point of view with real information, I am more than willing to discuss with you.
don't give me so much ammunition.
And what ammunition did I give you for your ‘fictitious’ attacks on my integrety?
fold turned tail and ran.
LOL! You are just too cute.
You certainly can too if you can't take it.
Seems to me that the one doing the ‘fictitious’ attacking is the one who has run out of reasonable arguement to support a dead point of view.
;)
"Legislation should be based on harm to others".
Exactly. Bravo to whoever said this. But I must say that I doubt it was Torpor.
I don’t care much for rediculous accusations, but if you want to actually support your point of view with real information, I am more than willing to discuss with you.
I just don't see that you are willing, nymph.
Not willing to be browbeat into submission?
Too bad, so sad...
The problem is, nymph, you are wrong and won't admit it. I have no problem with that. Liberals and conservatives are at war. There is no need to try to discuss anything. Let's just fight. Just so there is no mistake I despise liberals. They are a danger to real freedom.
Real freedom?
Locking people up for nothing more than what they do to themselves is freedom?
Real freedom is the ability to do anything you want in your own home as long as you cause no harm to anyone else without their consent.
Anything short of that is a police state regime.
Welcome to America.
Spouting freedom while saying you want to lock up pot smokers.
Spouting freedom when I can't walk around in the park at night because the rapist that got caught last month was back on the street a week later due to overcrowding of the prison system because they are all full of pot smokers.
Build tons more prisons dude, cause when you people finally get around to locking up everyone who doesn't do it "your way" you will need more prisons than apartment complexes and most of your "fellow Americans" will be in jail.
Hope you're ready to pay for them all.
the real problem is this is not true which is why you can only say it is and not show it is.
anyone who defends this "war" on drug users is a real danger to freedom.
Here's a glaring fact. crabs and nymph can't even go to 1 other thread for discussions. Why are they both stuck here trying to defend they're precious world illegal drugs?
As far a legislation to protect people from harm, I already know the answer from these two. "Yeah that's great but don't apply it to my drugs".
What drugs do I use? It's NONE of your damn business which LEGAL drugs I may or may not use.
and I never see you post in the other folders where I post...so what?
I fail to see why this has anything to do with anything.
it's none of my damn business what drugs you use regardless.
why should it be?
protect people from what harm? what legislation?
what doesn't apply to drugs?
and does it apply to all harmful things?
That's why legislation should not apply to drugs -- because by themselves they do no harm.
Here's a glaring fact. crabs and nymph can't even go to 1 other thread for discussions.
LOL! Dude, try to figger out the search function.
Why are they both stuck here trying to defend they're precious world illegal drugs?
Torpor, you really take the cake man.
Marijuana is not illegal in all the countries of the world.
Neither is cocaine, amphetemines, barbituates, hallucenogens of many types both natural and manmade.
And it is not the drugs that are precious to me.
What is precious to me is my FREEDOMto decide for myself.
If I ate rat poison, would you put me in jail for it?
Interesting article....
DOUBLE-CROSSED:
Black Ops, Beltway Bandits & the US Shadow Government
by Uri Dowbenko
What would you do if Ollie North and his covert Iran-Contra network owed you $200,000?
   All things considered, you might have better luck collecting from the Gambino or Colombo Family, the New York based mob syndicates. At least they claim to be men of honor.
   And that's Al Martin's dilemma. He's been placed in what he calls the "jack box," the untenable position of being owed money by an illegal black ops network of Iran-Contra players. This outfit includes military and intel officers, government bureaucrats, and "beltway bandits," fraudsters and so-called "consultants" who feed at the trough of corrupt Washington politics and dirty deals.
   In short, Al Martin has been double-crossed.
(continue)
Al Martin is definitely the man who knows too much. He knows too much about government fraud at the highest levels. About Iran Contra. And about the conspirators themselves.
   As a fourth level player of Iran Contra, just below Ollie North, George Bush Jr. and Jeb Bush, he knows about the scams and dirty deals that never stopped.
   And why is this story important? Because the so-called Iran-Contra frauds are ongoing and they continue to cost billion of dollars a year for American taxpayers
(continued)
Whistleblower Al Martin has testified before the congressional Kerry Committee as well as the Alexander Committee regarding the egregious frauds of Iran-Contra.
   Because of what he's seen, Al Martin has recently been in hiding, targeted by these same bureaucrat-perps.
   How did it start? When George Bush, Bill Casey and Oliver North initiated their plan of wholesale fraud and drug smuggling, they envisioned using 500 men to raise $35 billion.
   When Iran-Contra finally fell apart, they ended up using 5,000 operatives and making $350 billion in covert revenue streams to fund their illegal secret operations.
   And who is Al Martin? After he retired as a Lt. Commander from the US Naval Reserves, Al Martin's life went into the fast lane as a black ops specialist, an ONI (Office of National Intelligence) officer.
At a meeting with General Richard V. Secord and government-protected con man Lawrence Richard Hamil, Martin was briefed about Iran-Contra operations and allowed to view CIA white papers on "Operation Black Eagle," the insiders' code name for the illegal program of government-sanctioned narcotics
(continued)
"Some of the significant names you will find as principals in these frauds include, but are not limited to George Bush, Sr., George Bush, Jr., Jeb Bush, Neil Bush, and George Bush, Sr.'s daughter, Dorothy Bush's husband, who is Jimmy Le Blonde, Jr.," he continues.
   "His father is the famous Colonel Jimmy Le Blonde of Air America and Iran-Contra fame. By the way, Colonel Le Blonde held a congressional record for invoking the phrase, 'I don't recall,' 117 times, when he was asked questions about Southern Air Transport's involvement in Iran-Contra cocaine and weapons trafficking."
   "Other names include former Frank Carlucci, former Assistant Secretary of State, Elliott Abrams, former Assistant Secretary of State, Bernard Aronson, former Under-Secretary of State, Lawrence Eagleburger, and former Assistant Secretary of State, Richard Armitage," Martin continues.
   "Involved in fraud on the CIA side of the ledger, the list would include former Deputy Director of Operations, Clair George, Assistant Deputy Directory of Operations, Allan Fiers, a variety of station chiefs, and CIA Internal sub-Director, Dewey Clarridge."
   "On the military side, I have divided the 'scamscateers' into both active and retired. The retired group is quite substantial. In the fraud file, there are names like, but not limited to, Maj. Gen. Richard Vernon Secord, Maj. Gen. John K. Singlaub, Brig. General Harry C. Aderholt, Col. Sam Dutton, Col. Richard Gadd, Col. Robert Steele, Lt. Col. Jack Terrell, Lt. Col. Duke Rome, and Maj. John N. Piowatty."
   "The officers I just mentioned were all retired, and of course, are notorious Iran-Contra figures. They are often just placed into their involvement with Southern Air Transport and its subsidiaries with regards to the trafficking of weapons and cocaine and the liaison facility these men provided between the NSC and the CIA, vis-a-vis the Honduran armed forces, the El Salvadoran Air Force, the Colombian and Venezuelan Air Forces, etc. They are seldom looked at in the context of fraud which they were involved in to line their own pockets. This was fraud committed under the banner of Iran-Contra and fraud for which they were never prosecuted."
Interesting....
http://www.conspiracydigest.com/doublecrossed.html
No I wouldn't put you in jail nympho. Rat poison is legal.
Now pass that dirty needle. I'm getting a little jumpy.
Just how many brain cells have you lost due to your drug usage crabs??
You asked me in 1542 what kinds of drugs I used. THEN, in 1463, you said it what was none of your business.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Take a deeeeeeeeeeep breath now and type your response vewy, vewy swowly. I don't want you to get confused again.
yea...but unlike you, I don't think I should be able to force this answer by law.
no...Bill Hicks said that.
no problem...I wasn't confused the first time.
it's you, by means of the laws you support, who are saying that it's your business...now, which is it? I agree with Bill, but as long as you support these laws, you are saying it is indeed my (everyone's) business. Since you support it not being none of my business, I figured I'd ask.
none of my business or my business?
No I wouldn't put you in jail nympho.
Now why don't I believe that.
Rat poison is legal.
But I may possibly harm someone in the throes of the effects of rat poison, so why is it legal?
Now pass that dirty needle.
Perhaps you weren't listening.
Try again.
Come on, you can do it, I know you can.
;)
I'm getting a little jumpy.
Ahh, now we're getting somewhere!
Which drugs do you use in your needle?
none of my business or my business?
It's none of your business, but it's all of his business.
;)
By the way Torpor, what have you to say about America's war on drugs when your own government is trafficking in the drug trade as we speak?
(this I gotta hear.)
;)
You're in La-La Land crabs. (not surprising) Who the hell is Bill Hicks? One of your multiple personalities? Man there's something wrong with you. Oh yeah! All the dope!!
Seriously, it's time for re-hab. As long as you pay for it.
re-hab for what?
you can talk about me if you like, but don't think it isn't obvious that you are avoiding the subject.
Torpedo-8 7/6/03 9:57pm
Aah, more defamation bullshit from Torpor.
YAAAAWNNN............
how about it Torpedo?
did you say this?
and if so, why the exception for substance possession?
Now your both here waiting for me. It's getting laughable.
GONG!
Wrong answer!
You are the weakest link!
Look out for those evil black helicopters in your corn flakes nympho. I'm sure their also delivering the goods over you're house right now. They're in the stealth mode so you can't hear them...Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I'm avoiding crabs? I'll ask AGAIN. Who is Bill Hicks?
Aaah, more defamation bullshit from Torpor....
Wait, I'm having deja vu......
yes you are.
Who Bill Hicks is is not material to the subject at hand
Bill Hicks was a comic.
So, you wanna quit the defamation bullshit and have an actual discussion with actual facts, or would you rather continue calling people names as support of your position?
See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs, man. - Bill Hicks
Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural? - Bill Hicks
Oh yeah!
;)
They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference. - Bill Hicks
My God you're weak crabs. That's the best you can come up with. It's not material and he's a comic.
When you get all your names and personalities straight, let me know.
ROFLMFAO!
Where did I defame you nympho?
It's not material
Immaterial is a problem for you?
Seems to me that is all you have posted most of your time here is immaterial bullshit and name calling.
So you wanna get material, answer the question, what do you think of your governments involvement in drug trafficking while at the same time waging a war on drug users?
Annual drug deaths: tobacco: 395,000, alcohol: 125,000, 'legal' drugs: 38,000, illegal drug overdoses: 5,200, marijuana: 0. Considering government subsidies of tobacco, just what is our government protecting us from in the drug war? - William A. Turnbow