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just reading it i assume he's saying he's got jana's lost phone

not it accrnding to jana

thats not what he told me.

well...either jana is lying to me

or bear is lying to you...

I stand corrected...

tmk...I'm not happy about your post...

Nick's post is vague...but from what I know happened on sunday nite..he's just venting...

we can't be for certian its EXACTLY what he's talking about...he's had a lot of run in's with the cops the past year....lets try to let him vent...

from what I know he is a mess...this guy that hit him was a serious fighter...I'm almost sure I know who did it...

Kitch - I understand where you are coming from.

On the other hand, Nick made a not-so-veiled comment as he was leaving Fabulous Fern's on Sunday night directed at Kids and Coco.

Nick is hurt. Kids and Coco are also hurt.

I wish it could be different, but if one has the right to vent, the other should be able to do so as well.

Though I will say this. I do believe the best thing to do is ignore those comments and take the high road. It's so easy to get drawn in and comment, but it tends to bring one down to the level of the other and doesn't solve anything.

As mothers everywhere have said for centuries, it takes two to fight. If there's only one person trying to egg someone else into a fight and that egging gets ignored, there can be no fight.

Nick's post is vague because that's what he wants. He has a good idea of what the lines are, and how he can try to get away with things without crossing them as easily. Look at all he did this past year that caused the HRO and everything else. We all thought it was him who was doing this crap, but we couldn't be certain until Tim gave us the proof. He's supposedly had run ins with the cops this past year, but can you be for certain that he's had? He's lied so many times that can you really believe him? Yeah, he's venting because he knows he can use it to his advantage. He likes attention, and this gives it to him. As Terry said, Nick said some things at the end of the evening that were meant at Coco and I. What he said that I responded to, I don't think it was all about picking a fight. I think it was partly about getting sympathy. I'm sorry that he got punched like that, but to say that he's been screwed over by the cops so much in the past is bull crap. He brought it on himself, so he has no reason to use it to get pity on himself. And why do we have to coddle him for the stuff that he does on here? He wants to push boundaries and say stuff that aren't true, and I have to sit here and take it like nothing's happening? I feel at times like he's still victimizing us. I'm sorry that you're not happy about the post I made. I've taken it down now. But I'm not happy with Nick and what he's able to do on here.

thanks for taking the high road...I know its hard...

there is many many times I sit and fester on thoughts and emotions...

might be why I had a "I quit" attitude during the hunt...

To me it's more than festering on thoughts and emotions. My fear is that Nick will keep continuing to test the boundaries of things and try to get away with more and more. He did the same thing with Coco. He wasn't getting what he wanted, so he pushed the envelope and left a fake letter from a made-up person on Coco's car. That didn't work, so he went further and left notes on our cars from Steve about how Steve was going to beat him up. She changed her phone number, and then he started calling me. He said he needed some things taken care of, we did it, then he came up with new reasons that he had to communicate with us, which included lies about his mother. How far do we have to let this go? How many times do I have to take the high road? How is better to let him continue to push things and get away with stuff, instead of standing up to him and saying "No, this is not acceptable." I clearly understand that he has issues mentally and emotionally. A number of us have tried to help him or point him in the direction of getting help. He has refused it. I think there's only so much we can do to cut him some slack. Are we really doing him a favor by allowing him to say and think such things in public like this? Also, I know you had said you were glad to hear that Steve and Nick had worked out their differences and become friends again. I really have to wonder if Steve knows anything at all about what Nick did with using his name to do what he did. If Steve does know the truth, which I highly doubt, then Steve really is a good friend.

As Terry said, Nick said some things at the end of the evening that were meant at Coco and I.

such as "good luck everyone. well almost everyone."

Before responding to Nick, you may want to think about the can of worms opened.

Once the HRO is named....

Once someone is said to be telling lies....

Then he will have that door opened and it will be much harder to stop.

He may be pushing the envelope - but let's not rip that open for him.

I heard about that comment....I was hoping this was the only comment you are refering 2(I was told it was in a joking attitude)

I really can't comment on the attitude, actions, etc...that happened on sunday nite as I wasn't there....I'm just saying sometimes..you gotta give the guy a little slack as its uncomfortable for him...and if every little comment is going to be picked apart..then he doesn't have a chance of moving on.

I'm not trying to ignore the issue...but I'd hate seeing people drive him into the ground 2...which I've seen from other parties outside of TMK....

gotta give the guy a little slack as its uncomfortable for him

not in my opinion. he created the situation for himself. no one forced him to show up sunday night but himself. so if its uncomfortable for him he could have left.

is that ok for you to say he deserves what he got on sunday nite because of his prior actions?????

Time out!

No one is saying he deserved to get punched out.

maybe you are right...

I'm getting a lot of hearsay (heck I wasn't even there)...and trying to figure this out from egrams and cell calls....

I get this alot...(this weekend and in the past)

I think most people think I'm a neutral party for both nick and tmk so they "vent" on me.

I feel that I have something to stand on as far as an argument because I have factual proof on my side, whereas he has nothing. He has only lies to stand up to what we have, and so that gives me confidence in taking him on.

I understand it's going to be uncomfortable to him, but what about uncomfortable for us? He's the one that created the uncomfortableness by going as far as he did with his actions, and by deciding to show up the other night. Is he really moving on and dealing with things if he keeps blaming it on other people and making excuses for it? Is that really healthy for him? I'm not saying drive him into the ground. If I wanted to do that, I'd compile all sorts of information, play the recordings I have of him, show all the egrams that were sent, etc, and let everyone see and hear what happened. I'm saying we take a stand on things because I don't think it's good for us, and for him also. It's not really pushing back as much as it is saying no and setting some boundaries.

What exactly has Nick posted that started this conversation?

I didn't see your reply either TMK. Did Nick?

The only people that I know that saw it here were Kitch and TV. I don't think Nick saw it.

absolutely not! i thought you were talking about him being uncomfortable at fern's.

Wicked Nick, "What irritates you?" #2189, 14 Feb 2006 4:06 pm

I take it that this is the line?

the times that I've dealt with cops, it was based off of lies....

He's definitely walking the line there.

Personal Joe

...this line could have been directed towards...

steve and when steve's cousin being beat up...

and phalen him hanging out there...

me2 said him and steve went off on the cops that nite because it was waste of time calling and waiting for the cops that nite.

kinda heard not to vent when your face is a serious mess...

Again, with as many lies as he's told before, can we really say that they were true? Him being beat up by Steve is false because the messages were sent by Nick himself. Heck, they're hanging out now? Even if it were true, why would Nick want to hang out with someone who was beating the crap out of him?

I think all parties have good reason to want to vent.

I don't wish any harm to anyone. I do see how being beat up is a horrible thing. Assaults are assaults and should be treated as such by the police.

I also know the hurt and fear of being stalked and the emotional damage and scars that leaves.

No one can measure hurt so I don't want us to get into which hurt is worse.

I just think we need to keep an eye on envelope pushing and not giving the opening to bust through that envelope.

And I don't want us to get into who is telling the truth and who isn't.

We are not here for that.

Our job is to keep peace and be sure people are following the Code.

:eyeroll:

AW has a post in the COC thread. Not sure if anything was really said though. I did agree with this line:

Sometimes it's better to have a small group of leaders that the whole membership can unite behind in hatred

That's about right. :wink:

Allison Wonderland, "Discussion regarding the Code of Conduct" #545, 17 Feb 2006 2:25 pm

IMHO...the ccoc is working just fine...

Allison was simply giving his take on the whole thing - not trying to stir any pot. That wouldn't be his style.

I believe it's working okay the way it is, too.

I also know AW would never want to start anything. A thread like that is just hard not to comment on for someone like him.

You know the "cool" part of that post...

that post would take me 5 days to write...

I'm sure he did it in 3 mins.

The man is good with words.

Arrgh ye matey!

FWIW

Oh, and grats to a fellow mod on finding the Coon Rapids medallion!! :sillygrin:

cool

thanks for changing the banner up top

after about 2 weeeks I couldn't stand it anymore!!!

its all scripted, kitch :smile:

I like it.

Wicked Nick, "Discussion regarding the Code of Conduct" #546, 25 Feb 2006 3:37 pm

I'm disappointed.

Now he has another opportunity to bring this to the boards here.

well, since tmk and coco are in wisconsin, and explicitly said they probably weren't going to make it tonight, i have high doubts that it was either of them, as he's i'm sure trying to implicate.

It doesn't matter who it is - in fact it could very well be his own imagination creating these emails.

What's disappointing about it is that it allows others to somehow encourage him.

ha!!!

most likely, it is his imagination. but still, if its not, i'd like to see him back it up with fact (hence my post about the email headers).

beyond that, in retrospect, it shoudln't even be brought up, since our code only applies to this site, and not external emails sent.

I agree with that.

redbear is trolling...

How is redbear trolling?

The stuff that Nick does bother me. It wasn't really appropriate where it was, because it isn't violating the code of conduct at all. It's not something that we can control, if people are emailing other Cooler Crew members outside of this forum. Can we also control who can and cannot come to gatherings? I don't really think we can.

To me, this is him looking for sympathy and attention. He very well may be getting something like he says he is. I know it's not myself, nor Coco. We want to move past it, not give him more reason to get attention. I really don't see anybody else wanting to do it either. What do they have to gain? What would their motivation be?

Nick is free to say and do what he wants, and he's taking advantage of it. He doesn't have to really prove this email, other than provide an email address which can easily be faked/created (which he's done before). He says this stuff has been going on for a while, for months, and yet he does nothing about it? Coco and I did something about ours, and it was successful. If this is causing such pain and misery, why let it go on when the means to stop it is available? It's like the stuff with him being banned. He says that someone else did it, not him. Yet he did nothing about it but accept his miserable fate.

It bothers me that he can seemingly keep doing what he was doing before. He can make up lies, he can lead people on and use things to gain other people's sympathys. Yeah, he's done some crap that really pisses me off, and I don't like him. But he took advantage of me and my help, and did something terrible to someone I care about and love deeply. I tried to help him, but he turned his back on it and turned against me. I don't think this shallow filling of his emotional needs is really helping him or the situation. I wish he would get the damn help that he needs. But we can't do anything as moderators about that. I do feel that we could limit what he says though, because it's offensive to some people, and bad for himself I think personally. That's just me though. I'm not going to do anything about it though. He wants to make posts like this, I'll let him do it. I won't delete them or change them. They're a written record. Let them be. He deals with the consequences of his actions.

It looks like there's shit happening elsewhere. Boy do Tim & Mark have their hands full.

RitaS, "What features, visuals, or behavior would you like us to tweak?" #584, 27 Feb 2006 4:58 am