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bwah!

Told ya...not five flipping minutes.

you were right :smile:

now to ignore him.

Exactly.

He appears to be heating up. The best way to cool him down is just simply not respond. He has as much information as we can give him and he can choose to either believe it or not.

someone care to explain to me what he means by this:

If you are going to continue to talk about this post like it really happened I think you should carry the burden of proving it happen because an anonymous person is carrying the blame for it being gone.

am i the only one who hasn't noticed anything in the last several days from anyone insinuating that it happened. isn't he kinda shooting himself in the foot about his logic?

if i had enough time and energy to devote to it, i'd get him started on the burden of proof matter. that being that since he's the one that's continuing to bring it up, he's assuming the burden of proof for the matter, that the post didn't exist, and that proving something doesn't exist involves proving that it can't physically exist (the old if a dog barks in the woods and no one's around to hear it does it mean it didn't make noise?)

he wants us to find something that he claims never existed so that we have proof that it never existed?

:: shakes head at the quantum-physical paradox that creates ::

If you read between the lines, he wants someone cleared - Mr or Ms Anonymous.

of course he does. who knows who mr. or ms. anonymous is? and its why the burden of proof is on him to prove that it didn't exist.

now. how do we go about ensuring that this damn thread doesn't keep going? make it read-only? (i'm not an advocate of deleting threads)..

i'm beginning to understand why jt slammed his head on his desk so often :smile:

I understood that along time ago.

Playing devils advocate here...

What if we can get Tim the sysop to find that post and find out who deleted it?

What would we do with that information?

bwah!!

good question though. and what would the point of the whole damn thing be anyway.

and on top of that, tim asked me for a rough time frame when the post was edited. i could give him a 4 hour window of time on it, as well as the edit submission url on the location.

with this we're talking about an unknown time frame for the delete of a post (and like i said, i'm not even sure it was in what irritates you or even in the cooler for that matter).

And let's not any of us feed him anymore comments until we discuss this here.

He is sticking up for someone that he believes has been accused of something.

He isn't likely to let this go.

If we mark the thread as read only - he'll just bring it somewhere else.

Without going to Tim the sysop with this, all we should be doing now, in my opinion, is let Tim not the sysop keep insighting with no replies from us until he gets himself banned from here.

agreed completely.

as far as him moving it elsewhere, may i suggest we mark it read only with the note attached that further discussion of the matter in the other threads will result in consequences? that way he's on notice to not bring it up again, and if he does, well...

I won't post anymore in there. Sorry, got stuck in that thread posting because it's busy here, so I only have time to check in every so often, and instead of going out I'd just respond to what's there. I did egram ESD to calm him down, just have a nice chat about not responding to Tim and egging him on. ESD is going to put him on ignore, which should help.

ahhh. if only we as hosts could put him on ignore :smile:

Amen to the ignore thing.

Let's get CM and Kitch's input before marking it read only.

I think we should try to get as much input and thought before we do this.

I should be clear - I didn't think anyone said anything out of line here...but there isn't anything else to say so we shouldn't feed him anything more.

exactly. i was proud of myself. i exercised an enormous amount of self-restraint in that conversation :smile:

let's get their input on the matter.

Self restraint is a good thing...said in my very best Martha Stewart voice.

I'm very tempted to figure you when Redbear posted and have Tim V find something, so that TTH can have the information that he so desperately wants.

figure you?

Reading further into Tim's posts....

He wasn't happy that OTS got caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar - none of us were.

I suspect that he thinks whoever deleted that post is not OTS and so therefore, by not finding out all we can about the deleted post, we aren't playing fair.

I'll be packing up here and heading home in a few. See yaz on the flip side.

alrighty.

on the other hand, he also was very adamant that ot's post was never edited, and that ots wasn't the one that did it in the first place.

Figure out. Sorry, my bad. Long day at work. My take on it is that he feels that what happened with OTS and OT wouldn't have happened if Redbear hadn't claimed the stuff about a missing post. It's like it's excusable since what started it was something wrong or was made up. Either that or he's hoping that either Redbear's post was deleted by someone else who can be taken down, or that Redbear was in fact lying and that can be proven, and he and OTS can take some comfort in making someone else look bad at least. If he continues to think that OTS didn't have anything to do with it, that's his problem unfortunately and it's sad. But I can only speculate, I'm not going to hold that as my true belief.

But that was proven differently. That, at this point, has already been proven/dealt with/confessed to. and though it was distasteful, OTS did stand up and admit it.

OTS behaved as an adult in fessing up to it.

I'm sure Tim wants to see someone else go down.

HUH - SOSIC

I don't think making the RB thread as read only will do anything other than incite more accusations of us skirting the issue.

I also think that there is only so much support that AM 'owes' us as paying folder hosts. Tim V has already spent more than enough time figuring out our little squabbles. I don't think we need to bother him with any kind of a request to find a deleted post that we don't even know what thread it was in.

I'm sure OTiS is just having a bit of remorse for what he did and is now carrying the self inflicted burden for the missing post. Tim is just trying to stand up for his friend is all. Which is understandable. But if RB doesn't want to pursue it, there's really nothing we can do.

AM would probably increase our rent if that request was made anyway. :wink: jk

I fully understand what you're saying CM.

My question is then does it look like we're covering up something? Not pursuing someone who might not be BC?

Is everyone is comfortable with this idea...

Ignore, ignore and ignore. If he (Tim not the sysop) continues then we readdress this issue?

I don't think that it's that we're looking to cover up anything. We're just trying to deal with things the best way that we know how. I agree with Cluemaster that we've asked Tim Vasi for a lot of help, and this seems kind of trivial. Tim is the only one who's requesting this information. There are circumstances that make it different now as opposed to before.

I don't see any alternative than to ignore it. Or rather, finalize it by saying there's nothing we can do in this instance.

What would be the outcome of a lengthy investigation anyway?

RB is found to have deleted his own post? Um, so. He chose to leave because he mistakingly deleted it. Big deal.

Or one of us, OTiS or THX deleted the original post? Which would be a big deal, except that Tim doesn't believe that it was there to begin with anyway. So the only outcome that Tim wants is that we somehow find a post that was never posted. Huh. :eyeroll:

I say that we just finalize it and consider it in our minds as a dead issue. We're not going to be please everyone, and he's just looking to stir the pot. I feel more comfortable with addressing it to him and finalizing it, rather than just letting it sit. Yeah, he may raise a ruckus but at least we've said our peace. He'll have to deal with the consequences, whatever they may be, of his actions after that.

Not pursuing someone who might not be BC?

I'm blind to cliques in here. It's my 'job' to be neutral and take in all the facts before acting on them no matter who or what group that involves.

Any BC spin that anyone might put on it would be totally up to that person making them up.

Kids - I said that because I believe that's what Tim is getting at and I'm trying to figure out how this could bite us later.

So the only outcome that Tim wants is that we somehow find a post that was never posted. Huh.

So who's the idiot? Tim not the sysop or us for putting this much thought into it. Hehehehehehehe

Good point TV - I'm just glad I came in late to this shit. I'm sure he's getting a kick on seeing our post count go up and not seeing us posting in the threads too. :eyeroll: :chagrin:

I'm like you CM, I'm blind to cliques. I feel that this is just the best course of action, with no regard for who is on what side. Heck, I had a talk with ESD about what he was saying, and people would say that we're friends and on the "same side".

I'm blind to cliques in here. It's my 'job' to be neutral and take in all the facts before acting on them no matter who or what group that involves. Any BC spin that anyone might put on it would be totally up to that person making them up.

Good. I just wanted to clear that air.

We've worked well together on bringing stuff to this table. Even when we've disagreed, it's been done so respectfully.

For the record, my beef is with Tim because of his behavior on these boards around this ghost post, not because of who he does or doesn't consider his friends.

I'd like to think that even people in the BC see this not as us trying to cover something up, but just wanting to put the issue to rest and feeling this is best. Tim is on his own crusade, and he's the one with issue with this. Everyone else seems to be fine with it.

Oh Shit! - I think you might need to talk with ESD again TMK. His avatar is sure to stir up some stuff. :eyeroll:

Egram already sent

Stirring crap is just what we need. UGH!!!

Sent:



4 hr 45 min ago - 31 Jan 2006 2:24 pm

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Pay Me[2fc7da0]



To:



KITCH

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I would like you to take the majority of this message to heart. The original Redbear post is what caused the issue between Ares and Tim, and because of those tense waters, as the shit slid down the hill ultimately caused Dan to do something out of character in order to stop all the bickering. I am asking you as a moderator to please do the right thing and get a solid answer to the phantom post. I think as a whole it needs to be found. I hope you understand. Thanks Steph

I'm really confused....I would have assumed DAN deleted the post....but now I wonder....why would Steph want us to find this out??

She perhaps doesn't know...or it was someone else.

I really don't know.

Did you reply to the post ares?

I'm thinking it was in the deleted thread.

OT had said she was pretty sure it was in the thinks that irritate you thread.

I see MM changed her avatar. KT seems to like it too.

She did that the day of the rehash.

So now what?

Do we pursue this?

2 b honest...

as much as I'd like to make that thread "read only" ...I see a bigger problem in locking it...

I also kinda agree with Tim as most of us know a post hardly ever goes unnoticed in a matter of seconds...

but what's really weird is that many have claimed to have seen it...but didn't respond??? I find that hard to imagine....

look I'm not stupid as I know that other threads and private messages exist...I'm sure its lost in a thread somewhere. I'm willing to bet its in one of the many MysticalMusic threads that was deleted....but this is just MHO.

....but I don't want to waste "sysop" time with this....the entire thing would have never gotten to this if Otis wouldn't have edited that post.

The bottom line is the only ones who could have deleted it are:

Redbear, Kitch, CM, ares, TMK, OTS and me.

I didn't see the post. I would have remembered it.

I had thought perhaps Redbear had gone to post it, the internet or site held up and it never actually posted.

But others say they saw it.

I'm puzzled.

And if we decide not to bother Tim the sysop with this issue, the party who deleted it will never be known.

Redbear wants to move on.

I would like to move on.

Will this haunt us forever?

RB and THX had host access in RB's thread only. If it was posted somewhere else in the CCRC, It would have had to be us or OTiS. Or RB if he did it quick enough.

It could have been anyone else if it was in an outside folder.

I don't think it was in his hunt thread.

THX wasn't still moderator here though, right?