TET was the first battle of the end in Vietnam for US, and it showed all of the world that the VC and the NVA could attack at will and anywhere in the country. It also ended the term and career of a President. TET cannot be underestimated in it's effect on U.S. Policy and the War in general, and it's place in our history should never be forgotton. We won all the major battles of that War, unquestionably.
In the end, we lost the War because the top officials could not see anything past the War, nor negotiate with the North until. after 4 more years of losses in lives and materials, and lots of promises unkept, to the people of the United States, and despite the fact that we STILL won all the major battles.
However...Yesterday, Sec. of State Powell confirmed that the current administration is fighting amongst themselves and proposing diferent ideologies to the public. His honesty was chilling in it's totality. We should have elected him in 2000...(but of course, Al Gore won that election.)
WASHINGTON Sept. 13, 2004
AP - Secretary of State Colin Powell, once the nation's highest-ranking soldier, reaffirmed his distaste Sunday for Vietnam War draft policies that allowed sons of the powerful to avoid combat. He avoided a question about whether George W. Bush was exercising that privilege when the future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, the height of U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia.
Powell, an Army general and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, also said he does not expect the military draft to be reactivated "under any set of circumstances that I can see." The year that Bush joined the National Guard, both Powell and John Kerry, now Bush's Democratic rival for the presidency, were young officers among hundreds of thousands of American troops in Vietnam.
In his 1995 autobiography, "My American Journey," Powell characterized draft policies during most of the Vietnam era as "an antidemocratic disgrace." "I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," he wrote.
Asked about that and Bush's military career on "Fox News Sunday," Powell said: "I disagree with the policies that were in place at that time. I didn't think it was the right set of policies for the challenge the nation was facing. But those were the policies that were in place at that time. President Bush and Senator Kerry volunteered to serve their nations under the policies that were in place. They both served honorably, and they both were discharged honorably."
On ABC's "This Week," Powell added: "Yes, that system was disturbing to me. That's why I was such a supporter of the voluntary army when it came. I was also a supporter of cleaning up the draft system, so that you couldn't duck the draft." Questions have arisen about the Vietnam service of both Bush and Kerry.
-CBS' "60 Minutes" aired interviews and documents last week that indicated Bush, whose father was a Texas congressman at the time, was given preferential treatment in a National Guard unit and was lax in fulfilling his duties late in his six-year obligation. The Associated Press and other news organizations have questioned the authenticity of some of the documents. Dan Rather, managing editor of "CBS Evening News," rebutted the criticism on Friday's newscast with the assertion they are from "solid sources." He acknowledged that definitive authentication of the documents will be difficult. Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts for his command of a river Swift boat, considered among the most dangerous jobs in the war zone. "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has accused Kerry of exaggerating his exploits, including his story of rescuing under fire a Special Forces officer who had fallen from Kerry's boat.The Navy awarded Kerry's Bronze Star with "V" for valor for the rescue.Another of the group's ads attacks Kerry's anti-war activities in the early 1970s after he returned.
On ABC's "This Week," Powell expressed exasperation over the controversies. "I don't think much is to be gained by going back and fighting these 35-year-old battles," he said. "I think the American people are smart enough to make a judgment about what they want to see in their president today."
Indeed they are.
Diggerdoodle, I NEVER said that there WAS, asshole.
Give it a break.
Than what is this Old Foldy one commoby or don't you read things before you post them. again what a twit.
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....government needs to put money for a PRIVATE SECTOR BUILDING???? WTF....its not the governments fault that Wyeth laboratories could not upkeep its own plant.
Yeah...really. I guess the truth, hurts. At least, it hurts GDubbya
.... in that he cannot ADMIT this was a mistake.
No Iraq wasn't a mistake. You'd see that if you weren't so blinded by hate. I have no doubt that if a a democat had been president and did the same thing you would defend it to the end.
In the Oval Office in December 2002 the president met with a few ranking Senators and members of the House, both Republicans and Demcorats. In those days there were high hopes that the United States sponsored "road map" for the Israelies and Palestinians would be a pathway to providing peacekeeping forces in the region. The problem, everyone agreed was that a number of European countres, like France and Germany, had armies that were not trusted by either the Israelis or the Palestinians. One congressman, Hungarian-born Tom Lantos, a Democrat from California and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress -- mentioned that the Scandinavian countries were viewed more positively. Lantos went on to describe for the president how the Swedish Army might be an ideal candidate to anchor a small peacekeeping force on the West Bank and Gaza strip. Sweden has a well-trained force of about 25,000. The president looked at him appraisingly, several people in the room recalled.
"'I don't know why you're talking about Sweden,"' Bush said. "'They're the neutral one. They don't have an army.'
"Lantos paused, a little shocked, and offered a gentlemanly reply: "'Mr. President, you many have though that I said SwitzerlandThey're the ones that are histoically neutral, without and army.
"Bush held to his view. "'No, no, it's Sweden that has no army."
"The room went silent until somone changed the subject.
A few weeks later, members of Congress and their spouses gathered with administration officials and other dignitaries for the White House Christmas Party. The president saw Lantos and grabbed him by the shoulder. ""You were right,"' he said, with bonhomie. "'Sweden does have an army."'
Sunday New York Times magazine article by Ron Suskind. "Faith, Certainty and the presidency of George W. Bush.
He hates Bush and his administration. His recent reporting of "secret" Bush comments on social security. Besides, just in general liberals have been proven to be untrusworthy.
Besides, just in general liberals have been proven to be untrusworthy.
Those untrustworthy liberals had to lock their office at the Watergate, which meant the trustworthy conservatives had to break in. And now all scandals concerning an abuse of trust are called some type of "gate". All because those damn untrustworthy liberals didn't just leave the office unlocked.
"Sweden and Switzerland are not what could be called "World Players". You don't ever hear of anyone calling them up and saying "We've got a situation, we need your help"."
If military strengh is your only criteria to define "world player" then I suppose. Though Lantos thought the Swedes would be a good peacekeeping force in Israel.
There's lots of calls to Switzerland for "situations." Perhaps you've heard of the International Red Cross? They help piece together the lives of people who've been blown to bits around the world.
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If military strengh is your only criteria to define "world player" then I suppose. Though Lantos thought the Swedes would be a good peacekeeping force in Israel.
Lantos? Yeah, we should listen to Tom Lantos. The only good thing about that suggestion is that it's not the evil Americans. The fanatics over there might take more kindly to them.
There's lots of calls to Switzerland for "situations." Perhaps you've heard of the International Red Cross? They help piece together the lives of people who've been blown to bits around the world.
The US carries a majority of the weight in that matter as well.
Chill out, Bill Fold.
Go back and read your posts.
No one has even posted in here for three days, until you went on your psychotic rant.
Frickin' A.
[Edited by on Sep 17, 2004 at 12:25pm.]
I just can't understand why people do not like Fold. He seems so calm and level headed.
TET was the first battle of the end in Vietnam for US, and it showed all of the world that the VC and the NVA could attack at will and anywhere in the country. It also ended the term and career of a President. TET cannot be underestimated in it's effect on U.S. Policy and the War in general, and it's place in our history should never be forgotton. We won all the major battles of that War, unquestionably.
In the end, we lost the War because the top officials could not see anything past the War, nor negotiate with the North until. after 4 more years of losses in lives and materials, and lots of promises unkept, to the people of the United States, and despite the fact that we STILL won all the major battles.
However...Yesterday, Sec. of State Powell confirmed that the current administration is fighting amongst themselves and proposing diferent ideologies to the public. His honesty was chilling in it's totality. We should have elected him in 2000...(but of course, Al Gore won that election.)
WASHINGTON Sept. 13, 2004
AP - Secretary of State Colin Powell, once the nation's highest-ranking soldier, reaffirmed his distaste Sunday for Vietnam War draft policies that allowed sons of the powerful to avoid combat. He avoided a question about whether George W. Bush was exercising that privilege when the future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, the height of U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia.
Powell, an Army general and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, also said he does not expect the military draft to be reactivated "under any set of circumstances that I can see." The year that Bush joined the National Guard, both Powell and John Kerry, now Bush's Democratic rival for the presidency, were young officers among hundreds of thousands of American troops in Vietnam.
In his 1995 autobiography, "My American Journey," Powell characterized draft policies during most of the Vietnam era as "an antidemocratic disgrace." "I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units," he wrote.
Asked about that and Bush's military career on "Fox News Sunday," Powell said: "I disagree with the policies that were in place at that time. I didn't think it was the right set of policies for the challenge the nation was facing. But those were the policies that were in place at that time. President Bush and Senator Kerry volunteered to serve their nations under the policies that were in place. They both served honorably, and they both were discharged honorably."
On ABC's "This Week," Powell added: "Yes, that system was disturbing to me. That's why I was such a supporter of the voluntary army when it came. I was also a supporter of cleaning up the draft system, so that you couldn't duck the draft." Questions have arisen about the Vietnam service of both Bush and Kerry.
-CBS' "60 Minutes" aired interviews and documents last week that indicated Bush, whose father was a Texas congressman at the time, was given preferential treatment in a National Guard unit and was lax in fulfilling his duties late in his six-year obligation. The Associated Press and other news organizations have questioned the authenticity of some of the documents. Dan Rather, managing editor of "CBS Evening News," rebutted the criticism on Friday's newscast with the assertion they are from "solid sources." He acknowledged that definitive authentication of the documents will be difficult. Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts for his command of a river Swift boat, considered among the most dangerous jobs in the war zone. "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has accused Kerry of exaggerating his exploits, including his story of rescuing under fire a Special Forces officer who had fallen from Kerry's boat.The Navy awarded Kerry's Bronze Star with "V" for valor for the rescue.Another of the group's ads attacks Kerry's anti-war activities in the early 1970s after he returned.
On ABC's "This Week," Powell expressed exasperation over the controversies. "I don't think much is to be gained by going back and fighting these 35-year-old battles," he said. "I think the American people are smart enough to make a judgment about what they want to see in their president today."
Indeed they are.
Diggerdoodle, I NEVER said that there WAS, asshole.
Give it a break.
Than what is this Old Foldy one commoby or don't you read things before you post them. again what a twit.
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YOU go look. Then YOU chill out. I responded to your buddy diggerdo and his comments about ME, and HE posted on the 14th, DUDE.
And today is the 17th.
That was three days ago.
You said:
They slammed ME, asshole.... And for three days, without me saying DICK.
Read your rants, look at the dates, then get your fingers and toes out and do some math.
Or do you re-write history to fit jumping on my case now too?
OMG, the history is right here on the pages in front of you.
[Edited by on Sep 17, 2004 at 09:34pm.]
I carefully choose each word.
Well it wasn't three days of people slamming you like you said.
and I never post as some "Ficticious" dink, as some people here seem to think they have to do...
Who you talking about? There's no ficticious dinks here.
[Edited by on Sep 18, 2004 at 10:40am.]
just edited my post....
because I went back and re-read it.....
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....government needs to put money for a PRIVATE SECTOR BUILDING???? WTF....its not the governments fault that Wyeth laboratories could not upkeep its own plant.
I didn't know we had that many into Iraq...
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hmmm $5 mil / .029cents.... = 172,413,793 million fine soldiers.... WTF??
Now I agree..........
I cannot help but think that this guy never served a day in uniform, like his master
Bush never served in Uniform? Did you get a new job at CBS?
Reference #211 to "never served a day in uniform".
Bill Fold claiming Dubya never served in uniform?
He's lost his mind. That's why I don't discuss anything with him anymore.
Wasn't there a President recently that never served?
That's not true, Bill Clinton worked on lots of political campaigns.
The same goes for you.
And now for something completely different:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135740,00.html
"I wouldn't say I'm a heart throb," he said, as his wife, French singer and actress Vanessa Paradis, looked on. "I just have a very weird job."
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Yeah...really. I guess the truth, hurts. At least, it hurts GDubbya
....
in that he cannot ADMIT this was a mistake.
No Iraq wasn't a mistake. You'd see that if you weren't so blinded by hate. I have no doubt that if a a democat had been president and did the same thing you would defend it to the end.
"Jethro's" hate blinds him? Too funny.
Cue in Fold's ignore rant.
Get used to it, because more and more citizens of the United States see that Gdubbya is wrong, and they MAYeven vote him out... ain't that a bitch?
More and more people are seeing that Kerry is nothing but a power seeking politician without principles.
[Edited by on Oct 20, 2004 at 08:08am.]
GDubbya isn't dishonest about anything, nor does he make ANY mistakes...
no he isn't dishonest and he has admitted past mistakes. Iraq wasn't one of them.
He admitted this one:
In the Oval Office in December 2002 the president met with a few ranking Senators and members of the House, both Republicans and Demcorats. In those days there were high hopes that the United States sponsored "road map" for the Israelies and Palestinians would be a pathway to providing peacekeeping forces in the region. The problem, everyone agreed was that a number of European countres, like France and Germany, had armies that were not trusted by either the Israelis or the Palestinians. One congressman, Hungarian-born Tom Lantos, a Democrat from California and the only Holocaust survivor in Congress -- mentioned that the Scandinavian countries were viewed more positively. Lantos went on to describe for the president how the Swedish Army might be an ideal candidate to anchor a small peacekeeping force on the West Bank and Gaza strip. Sweden has a well-trained force of about 25,000. The president looked at him appraisingly, several people in the room recalled.
"'I don't know why you're talking about Sweden,"' Bush said. "'They're the neutral one. They don't have an army.'
"Lantos paused, a little shocked, and offered a gentlemanly reply: "'Mr. President, you many have though that I said SwitzerlandThey're the ones that are histoically neutral, without and army.
"Bush held to his view. "'No, no, it's Sweden that has no army."
"The room went silent until somone changed the subject.
A few weeks later, members of Congress and their spouses gathered with administration officials and other dignitaries for the White House Christmas Party. The president saw Lantos and grabbed him by the shoulder. ""You were right,"' he said, with bonhomie. "'Sweden does have an army."'
Sunday New York Times magazine article by Ron Suskind. "Faith, Certainty and the presidency of George W. Bush.
[Edited by on Oct 20, 2004 at 11:10am.]
Suskind has a history of lying.
Got a couple examples that would give us a reason he made this up?
He hates Bush and his administration. His recent reporting of "secret" Bush comments on social security. Besides, just in general liberals have been proven to be untrusworthy.
[Edited by on Oct 20, 2004 at 02:24pm.]
I'll take that as a No answer.
It is an answer, just one you don't like. There is no reason to believe what he writes.
Those untrustworthy liberals had to lock their office at the Watergate, which meant the trustworthy conservatives had to break in. And now all scandals concerning an abuse of trust are called some type of "gate". All because those damn untrustworthy liberals didn't just leave the office unlocked.
Hey! bodine know how to talk in the third person!
I'd like to show that little vignette to a soldier in the Swedish army.
Bet there would be a couple who'd wanna kick Bush's ass.
Pampered Yale boy.
let's face facts, our president doesn't even know the difference between Sweden and Switzerland.
The Dixie Chicks were right, he's a fucking embarrassment
Little countries. Hard to tell 'em apart.
Texas is a big state, you know.
[Edited by on Oct 20, 2004 at 04:42pm.]
It's like we have Sal from Dog Day Afternoon as our president. When asked what country he wanted to go to, Sal replied "Wyoming".
Or like the students from Texas asked to name a famous French person.
They said Jack Shellack,
The person asking thought they meant Jacque Chirac.
No, they meant Jack Shellack, a cartoon character. And Jack wasn't French, he was Canadian.
Little countries. Hard to tell 'em apart.
Let's face it, we don't think about Sweden or Switzerland much.
Let's face it, Bush doesn't even know which is which.
This is the leader of the free world?
This is a coalition builder?
You're assuming it's even true.
I bet you believe Mike Moore's drivel as well, and consider it fact?
And the Bush memos?
There's certain people that are so filled with hatred, they will do and say anything to make Dubya look bad.
So, now let's assume it's true.
Who really cares?
Are Sweden & Switzerland of consequence to anyone but themselves?
I'm not trying to be arrogant, just honest.
"Let's face it, we don't think about Sweden or Switzerland much. "
Who's we, Kimosabe?
If you don't, Bush might be your man.
"I'm not trying to be arrogant,"
No, you're succeeding.
[Edited by on Oct 20, 2004 at 07:05pm.]
There's certain people that are so filled with hatred, they will do and say anything to make Dubya look bad.
Wouldn't that be more of just hatred toward Dubya than hatred as a whole? There is a difference.
No, you're succeeding.
Be honest Rick, Sweden and Switzerland are not what could be called "World Players".
You don't ever hear of anyone calling them up and saying "We've got a situation, we need your help".
Pampered Yale boy.
"Sweden and Switzerland are not what could be called "World Players". You don't ever hear of anyone calling them up and saying "We've got a situation, we need your help"."
If military strengh is your only criteria to define "world player" then I suppose. Though Lantos thought the Swedes would be a good peacekeeping force in Israel.
There's lots of calls to Switzerland for "situations." Perhaps you've heard of the International Red Cross? They help piece together the lives of people who've been blown to bits around the world.
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If military strengh is your only criteria to define "world player" then I suppose. Though Lantos thought the Swedes would be a good peacekeeping force in Israel.
Lantos? Yeah, we should listen to Tom Lantos. The only good thing about that suggestion is that it's not the evil Americans. The fanatics over there might take more kindly to them.
There's lots of calls to Switzerland for "situations." Perhaps you've heard of the International Red Cross? They help piece together the lives of people who've been blown to bits around the world.
The US carries a majority of the weight in that matter as well.
http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/622MA6/$FILE/icrc_ar_03_Finance.pdf?OpenElement
"The US carries a majority of the weight in that matter as well."
What do you mean?
"Lantos? Yeah, we should listen to Tom Lantos. "
Democrats have something to say sometimes. Bush chose not to listen to him. Instead he went with his own perceptions, which turned out to be false.
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Democrats have something to say sometimes.
They always have something to say. Problem is that it is 99% pure crap.
What do you mean?
Who's the biggest donar to the IRC?
Democrats have something to say sometimes.
And sometimes what they have to say is wise and makes sense. Sometimes, not so much.
Bush chose not to listen to him. Instead he went with his own perceptions, which turned out to be false.
With Israel?
"Who's the biggest donar to the IRC?"
It looked generous, but there were other countries much smaller that did very well, too for their size.
It looked generous, but there were other countries much smaller that did very well, too for their size.
It was very generous. Especially when you consider all the other things we do throughout the world.
What else is Sweden & Switzerland doing, besides declaring neutrality?