untilGdubbya turned south, and went into IRAQ where NO solution will be had, and our boys will fight and die, for who knows HOW long. There is NOplan, to win ANYpeace. In fact, Gdubbya will soon start another fight, somewhere else.
Who
will fight it for him?
There is a plan. It does remain to be seen whether it will work. But even if it doesn't we are better off fighting the Islamic extremists in Iraq than anyplace else.
Jethro, you would do WELLto live in Mississippi.
How do you know that I don't live there now?
"Mac the Finger said the Louis the King / 'I got 40 red, white and blue shoestrings / and a thousand telephones that don''t ring / Can you tell me where to get rid of these things? / Louis the King said 'let me think for a minute, son / Louis said, 'yes I think it can be easily done / Take them all out to Highway 61.'" -- Bob Dylan
Yes... mostly rural and mostly Conservative areas,
Duh. Kerry won mostly urban and Liberal areas. What's your point?
and GDubya divided the Veterans Vote Expertly! He nullified us, by turning us one against the other, and by making Kerry, a Traitor...even though he WENT to war, and got shot at.
You make a very large assumption that other veterans think & feel the same as you. From what I've read, the opposite is actually true. As a matter of fact, the Military vote is one of Dubya's largest bases.
The point of my post was it wasn't a "strip" of states. But I see that went right over your head.
Going to war and being shot at is not the automatic guarantee of the vet votes, nor does it convey any special immunity from the vets or endow a person with any special qualifications to be the President. If it did, there are plenty of E-4s out there with a hell of a lot more qualifiactions, especially when it comes to leadership, than Kerry has.Â
I've seen enough Bloodgood posts to understand than he can see no evidence of any kind that might suggest that George Walker Bush is anything but a godlike hero.
LOL... Then you need to clean the crud off your glasses, Mr. Jump-to-conclusions.Â
Veterans have to pay more for their medications and treatment and go farther to get them than they did four years ago. The Department of Veterans Affairs attempted to close four of its hospitals in Washington state last year and was only forestalled by strenuous efforts from Sen. Patty Murray and others.
As I said long ago, if he got re-elected, he would Claim
a "Mandate", even though that term has ALWAYSbeen reserved for the winner in "Landslides".
Well I guess you are saying there is no such thing as a mandate? He is the first president to jet 50% of the vote since 1988. But whether you call it a mandate or not Bush has control of the Senate and House he can get a lot of what he wants passed.
I only hope its the 80s. How would you feel if, culturally, we ended up in the 50s? If anyone knows what it was like then, feel free to chime in. Seems to me, conservatives pine for the 50s.
Conservatives of today aren't the conservatives of the 50's, or even the 80's. At least the ones I know. Shit, I'm always being labeled a Liberal just by the way I look.
One bad thing about the fities that I remember (although I was a teen-ager) was the atmosphere of represession stirred by the right wing. We had a sense that we had better watch what we say in terms of politics and foreign affairs, but we otherwise enjoyed the decade.
I think the 50s were the social incubator of the 60s. Started with the Civil Rights movement. The women's movement. But it didn't have to be that way.
People like to bash the Baby Boomer generation saying they've lost their values and, whatever, you know the drill.
But whose task was it to instill those values? Ask yourself. If (and I don't think this is true) the Baby Boom falls supposidly falls short of the Greatest Generation, who's to blame? If the values were so important, why weren't they taught better?
Maybe they were taught just fine. Maybe the boomers consciously and deliberately rebelled. And of course many do not take resposibility for their own actions.
What's wrong with neutrality? I just pointed out the Red Cross.
If you feel the two countries are worthless, I can't change your mind. I can tell you what I think of it.
I don't think they're worthless.
I just don't care if dubya confused the two.
Ho-Humm.
Heh! JT, that pic is really getting to him.
All complaints can be sent to: startyourownforumifyoudontlikeit@eatme.org
LOL!
jt, jt, jt. that is sooooo tacky.
startyourownforumifyoudontlikeit@pissuparope.org.
Hey ares.
pissupa.....
:-)
The Army had scheduled 10-month deployments for the units whose tours are being extended, rather than the usual 12-months tours.
So they will do a normal 12-month tour with the 2 month extension. Bitching just to bitch, again?
[Edited by on Oct 31, 2004 at 07:36am.]
It's not like there will be a formal surrender signed on the deck of the U.S.S Missouri. So yea it's open ended. Christ we're still in the balkans.
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we are still in Germany and Korea, too.
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untilGdubbya turned south, and went into IRAQ where NO solution will be had, and our boys will fight and die, for who knows HOW long. There is NOplan, to win ANYpeace. In fact, Gdubbya will soon start another fight, somewhere else.
Who
will fight it for him?
There is a plan. It does remain to be seen whether it will work. But even if it doesn't we are better off fighting the Islamic extremists in Iraq than anyplace else.
Jethro, you would do WELLto live in Mississippi.
How do you know that I don't live there now?
But even if it doesn't we are better off fighting the Islamic extremists in Iraq than anyplace else.
Rather there than here.
"How do you know that I don't live there now? "
Do you live in Mississippi, jethro?
"Only one thing, I did wrong/Stayed in Mississippi a day too long." -- Bob Dylan
[Edited by on Nov 4, 2004 at 07:08am.]
"Only one thing, I did wrong/Stayed in Mississippi a day too long." -- Bob Dylan
I am sure Mississippians would agree that Bob stayed a day too long. One day of Bob is too much.
Do you live in Mississippi, jethro?
"Mac the Finger said the Louis the King / 'I got 40 red, white and blue shoestrings / and a thousand telephones that don''t ring / Can you tell me where to get rid of these things? / Louis the King said 'let me think for a minute, son / Louis said, 'yes I think it can be easily done / Take them all out to Highway 61.'" -- Bob Dylan
[Edited by on Nov 4, 2004 at 08:28am.]
Here is your strip of conservative, far right states. Bush won the counties in red.
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[Edited by on Nov 5, 2004 at 02:31am.]
Yes... mostly rural and mostly Conservative areas,
Duh. Kerry won mostly urban and Liberal areas. What's your point?
and GDubya divided the Veterans Vote Expertly! He nullified us, by turning us one against the other, and by making Kerry, a Traitor...even though he WENT to war, and got shot at.
You make a very large assumption that other veterans think & feel the same as you. From what I've read, the opposite is actually true. As a matter of fact, the Military vote is one of Dubya's largest bases.
"Jon Stewart said it last night; "How come WE DEMOCRATS arew seen as the "Elites" when the Christian Right claims the Kingdom of Heaven"...? "
If that's true, they should know that God will not be mocked.
'Bill - Fold' 11/5/04 3:13am
The point of my post was it wasn't a "strip" of states. But I see that went right over your head.
Going to war and being shot at is not the automatic guarantee of the vet votes, nor does it convey any special immunity from the vets or endow a person with any special qualifications to be the President. If it did, there are plenty of E-4s out there with a hell of a lot more qualifiactions, especially when it comes to leadership, than Kerry has.Â
D. Michael Heywood 11/5/04 5:39am
He scoffed at military service in his time.
I see no evidence of scoffing.
He has narrowed benefits for veterans as much as he could.
How?Â
He got us into a stupid war that is chewing through fortunes and lives.
We lose about 1.8-1.9 people a day on average. We would lose the total lost to this point in a day or two in 'Nam.
He and his handlers are entirely cynical about the military now
LOL...That is a great joke. You should try to sell it to Letterman or Leno.Â
D. Michael Heywood 11/5/04 6:19am
I've seen enough Bloodgood posts to understand than he can see no evidence of any kind that might suggest that George Walker Bush is anything but a godlike hero.
LOL... Then you need to clean the crud off your glasses, Mr. Jump-to-conclusions.Â
Veterans have to pay more for their medications and treatment and go farther to get them than they did four years ago. The Department of Veterans Affairs attempted to close four of its hospitals in Washington state last year and was only forestalled by strenuous efforts from Sen. Patty Murray and others.
And you attribute this to Bush how?
Look at that map and then look at this one...
http://130.166.124.2/atlas.us1/US0001.GIF
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 5, 2004 at 07:32am.]
I see the Arrowhead region of Minnesota came through for the Democrats.
First settlers, were there. It's the state's conscience.
As I said long ago, if he got re-elected, he would
Claim
a "Mandate", even though that term has ALWAYSbeen reserved for the winner in "Landslides".
Well I guess you are saying there is no such thing as a mandate? He is the first president to jet 50% of the vote since 1988. But whether you call it a mandate or not Bush has control of the Senate and House he can get a lot of what he wants passed.
Look at that map and then look at this one...
What's your point?
Dubya won the popular vote too.
Even here in MN Kerry barely sneeked by Dubya.
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
land doesn't vote.
at this point, it's computers that vote.
[Edited by molegrass on Nov 5, 2004 at 09:22am.]
"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades. "
That song was a low point in rock 'n' roll. That's the one where the singer boasts about his grades.
Fitting since we seem to be heading back to the '80s.
land doesn't vote.
Tell that to Bill Fold.
He's the one trying to make it look as if only southern redneck christians voted for Bush.
Fitting since we seem to be heading back to the '80s.
LOL
The 80's were a good time for me.
I only hope its the 80s. How would you feel if, culturally, we ended up in the 50s? If anyone knows what it was like then, feel free to chime in. Seems to me, conservatives pine for the 50s.
Conservatives of today aren't the conservatives of the 50's, or even the 80's. At least the ones I know. Shit, I'm always being labeled a Liberal just by the way I look.
Anyway, we're getting off track of the thread.
why do liberals always bash the '50's?
I wasn't born until 1967 so I'm indifferent to the 50's.
One bad thing about the fities that I remember (although I was a teen-ager) was the atmosphere of represession stirred by the right wing. We had a sense that we had better watch what we say in terms of politics and foreign affairs, but we otherwise enjoyed the decade.
were you a communist?
I think the 50s were the social incubator of the 60s. Started with the Civil Rights movement. The women's movement. But it didn't have to be that way.
People like to bash the Baby Boomer generation saying they've lost their values and, whatever, you know the drill.
But whose task was it to instill those values? Ask yourself. If (and I don't think this is true) the Baby Boom falls supposidly falls short of the Greatest Generation, who's to blame? If the values were so important, why weren't they taught better?
Maybe they were taught just fine. Maybe the boomers consciously and deliberately rebelled. And of course many do not take resposibility for their own actions.
"Maybe they were taught just fine."
If you believe your own rhetoric, jethro, you'd have to say obviously not.
[Edited by on Nov 5, 2004 at 11:51am.]
If the values were so important, why weren't they taught better?
Boy, that's a good question, but a complicated one.
I'll have to think about this one. I tried responding, but just rambled and rambled.
I'll have to tackle it some other time.
If you believe your own rhetoric, jethro, you'd have to say obviously not.
What do you mean, Rick?
I believe I know what Jethro's saying, without him saying more.
Maybe their parents did teach them just fine, but they choose not to hold on to what their parents taught them.
I've seen it in my own family.
"Maybe their parents did teach them just fine, but they choose not to hold on to what their parents taught them."
So what does that say about how well they were taught?
So what does that say about how well they were taught?
People have free will don't they? People can make their own choices, can't they?
So what does that say about how well they were taught?
Sometimes it says something, sometimes it doesn't.
I'd say in most cases I agree with you.
Parents are not doing right by their children.
Bodine, young as you were, were you a paid red-baiter?
People could lose jobs for refusing to swear they had never had any friendly feelings about Russia
swearing to not have had any friendly feelings about Russia reallyshouldn't have been a problem for anyone that believes in democracy.