The Army may not be scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel yet, but critics say the service is coming dangerously close. Defense analysts and veterans advocates say the Army's renewed efforts to encourage retired soldiers to return to active duty is an indication it is being stretched thin and worn out.
"The Army basically has run out of options," said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the Lexington Institute, a Washington think tank. Steve Robinson, executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, a veterans advocacy group in Washington, said the Army is now dipping into its last pool of resources.
"The only thing they have left is the draft," said Robinson, a former Army Ranger.
So, it only took 2 months and 2 weeks for someone to float the "Draft" idea! I think Bill Fold has more of a clue than you people give him credit for.
Johnny OnTheSpot I notice you have only posted (this post) ONCE.
May I ask how long have you been lurking around? How long have you been reading and following Fold? Just kinda curious why that would be something you felt needed to be pointed out during the course of this posting.
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As you asked me last night, I don't even know anyone in here. I know only what I have read so far. This was the first topic on my screen when I signed into this forum topic last night, and I had to start reading at the top. Since it started sometime in 2002?, there are lots of posts, but I skimmed through them and as I said to you, "Common Sense Conservative" and "Muskwa" seemed to be saying the same things that "Bill Fold" was saying. None of them were very impressed with the way in which veterans were being treated these days. And if Bill Fold is 'mentally ill', well then I would want a team of people just like him working for me if I had a veteran's appeal in progress. But, I don't know any of you.
Also, I am not "Lurking", and as I told you last night, I live in Hawaii and only came to peek-in as someone else told me this was an "interesting place", in their words. I don't see how calling other people names makes anything interesting, no offense.
I only commented on what I read, and I didn't read all 2000-plus posts. I doubt that I will now. I hope you all will have a wonderful time though, but I guess I will go back to just looking for other forums that don't require any special "Info" from the users.
The Rat was wondering about all these entertainment/political shows tonight. So he watched Dennis Miller on CNBC. First, there was a chimp, then an actress plugging her movie, then a Rolling Stone reporter and two veterans from Iraq.
Johnny Carson turns in his grave over guys like Dennis Miller. 'Do you want to be a comedian or a political commentator? But be one or another, you insincere sonofabitch. Don't use the guys who fight this war for your props, so the audience can shout Hooo, Yah!, like a bunch of trained seals. "Make us feel good, please."
This is the state of political discussion on Cable TV? The last person The Rat saw on cable television looking for the The Truth was Fox Mulder on The X-Files -- a fictional person on television show that was cancelled. He was haunted by The Truth, because it's not easy to find
Dennis Miller calls one of the soldiers "Sarge"
"It's Sergeant," the guy says.
Sorry, Sergeant. If you're on the set so the host can kiss up to you, and you're following a monkey, you're "Sarge." And Johnny Carson wouldn't put you through that.
Johnny Carson turns in his grave over guys like Dennis Miller. 'Do you want to be a comedian or a political commentator? But be one or another, you insincere sonofabitch. Don't use the guys who fight this war for your props, so the audience can shout Hooo, Yah!, like a bunch of trained seals. "Make us feel good, please."
He's not trying to be Carson. It's political satire, you might not find it funny but whatever. So because he brings on 2 guys from Iraq they are being used as "props" Did it bother you that the audience shouted for them?
Funny because not once, once have you ever bitched about the rest of the media using soldiers for props, you know like looking for a dead soldier only from Iraq on inauguration day. Talk about insincere.
"Funny because not once, once have you ever bitched about the rest of the media using soldiers for props, you know like looking for a dead soldier only from Iraq on inauguration day."
It's starting to get difficult more me to distinguish between entertainment (Miller) and news (was it ABC?) as well. But did the network do that story?
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So do they get credit for reconsidering or just blame for thinking about it?
Well I've just never seen you muse about troops being used as props before and found it curious. Do you think they would have ran it had they found one?
If it didn't run that would be pretty stupid. I read it, he gave his outright opinion on the reporting. But these bloggers are now promoting themselves with every criticism they give of the media.
Texas has plenty to complain about -- Brooks City Base in San Antonio with 2,923 people, Naval Station Ingleside in Corpus Christi with 2,218 people, the Red River Army Depot in Texarkana with 2,500 people, and Lackland and Sheppard Air Force bases with 5,764 people.
It's always hard when employment goes elsewhere. But the military isn't a civilian jobs program. Military value should be the proper basis for allocation of facilities.
"Not a day goes by that I don't think about it," said Lee McNulty, president of the USS America Foundation, which wanted to turn the ship into a museum.
I was thinking that would have been a cool ship to take a tour of. Hopefully they at least got the information they need to make new ships safer.
I was in it when I was quite young and I still remember it being quite small and cramped. I don't know how the Germans could handle being in that thing for long periods of time. I would have gotten quite claustrophobic. It was the only German sub captured during WWII. Just an amazing piece of history.
The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago is the best one that I have ever seen. I am sure that there is better somewhere, but this one is definitely worth going to if you have not yet.
You should. If I remember correctly, it was built for the world's fair in like the 1890's(?) and remodeled for the 1933 world fair. They have been adding stuff ever since. It is a humongous museum with a lot of hands on stuff. Anything industrial or scientific that you are interested in is probably there in great detail. You could probably spend the weekend there looking at stuff.
Another cool exhibit is the coal mine that they got in the basement. You go down an old mine shaft elevator to see the machinery and learn about how the mines work. It makes you feel like you really decend deap into the earth and tour a real mine.
It is really an impressive place. Take a look around the site that I linked to and I am sure you will find something that you are interested in. Unfortunately, the submarine is being restored right now, so it is closed.
Overall, well worth the trip to Chicago.
that has bothered me since he died, about 25 years ago.
Don't take it to hard, we were all young once and didn't know any better. I am sure that he understood that.
We've been on the Lexingtonin Corpus -- the Grey Ghost. It is awesome. Lots of interactive stuff and excellent films. It was hit by a kamikaze during the war. And the picture-taking is great. It's on a very scenic beach. We'll definitely go back.
But this President is blind to the dangers at our borders. They should have been slammed shut on September 12.
exactly how can we do this?
[Edited by on Jan 7, 2005 at 09:10am.]
Yes very bad...
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
January 16, 2005
The Army may not be scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel yet, but critics say the service is coming dangerously close. Defense analysts and veterans advocates say the Army's renewed efforts to encourage retired soldiers to return to active duty is an indication it is being stretched thin and worn out.
"The Army basically has run out of options," said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the Lexington Institute, a Washington think tank. Steve Robinson, executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, a veterans advocacy group in Washington, said the Army is now dipping into its last pool of resources.
"The only thing they have left is the draft," said Robinson, a former Army Ranger.
So, it only took 2 months and 2 weeks for someone to float the "Draft" idea! I think Bill Fold has more of a clue than you people give him credit for.
No offense.
Johnny OnTheSpot I notice you have only posted (this post) ONCE.
May I ask how long have you been lurking around? How long have you been reading and following Fold? Just kinda curious why that would be something you felt needed to be pointed out during the course of this posting.
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Listen Johnny, Fold is mentally ill. Has been for years.
Hello "OTS"?
As you asked me last night, I don't even know anyone in here. I know only what I have read so far. This was the first topic on my screen when I signed into this forum topic last night, and I had to start reading at the top. Since it started sometime in 2002?, there are lots of posts, but I skimmed through them and as I said to you, "Common Sense Conservative" and "Muskwa" seemed to be saying the same things that "Bill Fold" was saying. None of them were very impressed with the way in which veterans were being treated these days. And if Bill Fold is 'mentally ill', well then I would want a team of people just like him working for me if I had a veteran's appeal in progress. But, I don't know any of you.
Also, I am not "Lurking", and as I told you last night, I live in Hawaii and only came to peek-in as someone else told me this was an "interesting place", in their words. I don't see how calling other people names makes anything interesting, no offense.
I only commented on what I read, and I didn't read all 2000-plus posts. I doubt that I will now. I hope you all will have a wonderful time though, but I guess I will go back to just looking for other forums that don't require any special "Info" from the users.
Quickly.
Thank you, Bill :^)
Be fair, Bill. Did you know anything about this Feith fellow before today?
Maybe Feith thought Franks was an idiot. Given what I've read it appears to be a clash of personalities.
This part's revealing:
"...he posed "off-the-wall questions without relevance to problems."
I think the quickest way to piss off a military guy is ask him a question that, for one reason or another, he doesn't like.
[Edited by on Jan 27, 2005 at 05:14am.]
The Rat was wondering about all these entertainment/political shows tonight. So he watched Dennis Miller on CNBC. First, there was a chimp, then an actress plugging her movie, then a Rolling Stone reporter and two veterans from Iraq.
Johnny Carson turns in his grave over guys like Dennis Miller. 'Do you want to be a comedian or a political commentator? But be one or another, you insincere sonofabitch. Don't use the guys who fight this war for your props, so the audience can shout Hooo, Yah!, like a bunch of trained seals. "Make us feel good, please."
This is the state of political discussion on Cable TV? The last person The Rat saw on cable television looking for the The Truth was Fox Mulder on The X-Files -- a fictional person on television show that was cancelled. He was haunted by The Truth, because it's not easy to find
Dennis Miller calls one of the soldiers "Sarge"
"It's Sergeant," the guy says.
Sorry, Sergeant. If you're on the set so the host can kiss up to you, and you're following a monkey, you're "Sarge." And Johnny Carson wouldn't put you through that.
[Edited by on Jan 27, 2005 at 08:11pm.]
Dennis Miller's schitck is so bad nowadays it makes me physically wince. To think that he once was actually a very funny man, it's just sad.
An entertainer's gotta change with the times. The schtick works, I'm sure.
Beats selling Lady Kenmores at Sears.
Johnny Carson turns in his grave over guys like Dennis Miller. 'Do you want to be a comedian or a political commentator? But be one or another, you insincere sonofabitch. Don't use the guys who fight this war for your props, so the audience can shout Hooo, Yah!, like a bunch of trained seals. "Make us feel good, please."
He's not trying to be Carson. It's political satire, you might not find it funny but whatever. So because he brings on 2 guys from Iraq they are being used as "props" Did it bother you that the audience shouted for them?
Funny because not once, once have you ever bitched about the rest of the media using soldiers for props, you know like looking for a dead soldier only from Iraq on inauguration day. Talk about insincere.
[Edited by on Jan 28, 2005 at 07:16am.]
"Funny because not once, once have you ever bitched about the rest of the media using soldiers for props, you know like looking for a dead soldier only from Iraq on inauguration day."
It's starting to get difficult more me to distinguish between entertainment (Miller) and news (was it ABC?) as well. But did the network do that story?
[Edited 2 times. Most recently by on Jan 28, 2005 at 08:28am.]
So do they get credit for reconsidering or just blame for thinking about it?
Luv2Fly 1/28/05 9:08am
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Hi, haven't seen you posting for a long time. Miss you on the WOT board.
So do they get credit for reconsidering or just blame for thinking about it?
Well I've just never seen you muse about troops being used as props before and found it curious. Do you think they would have ran it had they found one?
Letha J Rolph 1/28/05 9:17am
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Hi Letha, Good to see you:) Haven't had allot of time to post lately. Where is the board now?
Letha J Rolph 1/28/05 9:17am
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Hi Letha, Good to see you:) Haven't had allot of time to post lately. Where is the board now?
ABC didrun a story about a Texas soldier's funeral. Just fair'n'balanced, ya know.
Luv2Fly 1/28/05 10:45am
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DanPatrick "WOT: Return of the CNN Exiles" 1/28/05 7:23am
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This is the newest board. Top is still there and a few of the others. They would be glad to see you I'm sure.
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[Edited by on Jan 28, 2005 at 11:47am.]
"ABC did run a story about a Texas soldier's funeral. Just fair'n'balanced, ya know."
Did you see it?
No, I read about it.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003599.php
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Of course, where else?
Yeah, I guess it's fake then.
Could be the Bush Adminstration Company Line. So far, it's three columnists on the payroll; but there's gotta be more.
So he would outright lie about a news story broadcast on ABC?
If it didn't run that would be pretty stupid. I read it, he gave his outright opinion on the reporting. But these bloggers are now promoting themselves with every criticism they give of the media.
Leave it to Fold to turn a + into a -.
old news
yawn
fold....
I see u haven't changed!!! anything positive to say??
You sober, yet?
Nope.........No desire 2........but thanks for asking/caring. Means an aweful lot.
I'm not sober either, Kitch.
Let's stagger around St. Paul for awhile. Urinate on the street. Call talk radio and rant like a madman.
Cool Stuff.
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I'll let people in Wisconsin buy cheap beer.
Only the best for zephy if he wants to drink with me....
I agree the urinating in the street is an issue...maybe the city should install a few pay-per-bathrooms on the corners...
I've seen them in major cities...the work well...
An army of one Joe
"I know a ton of
gay menthat would be more than willing to stay in the Army (instead of the navy) if they could just be open."
I read the comments at DU, too :^)
Texas has plenty to complain about -- Brooks City Base in San Antonio with 2,923 people, Naval Station Ingleside in Corpus Christi with 2,218 people, the Red River Army Depot in Texarkana with 2,500 people, and Lackland and Sheppard Air Force bases with 5,764 people.
It's always hard when employment goes elsewhere. But the military isn't a civilian jobs program. Military value should be the proper basis for allocation of facilities.
[Edited by on May 15, 2005 at 09:22am.]
As usual, never enough.
Oh gee, breaks my heart.
Finite money for everyone,fold. Get it?
"Folliwng Seas"
If it contains asbestos and toxins, why would you want it as reef for fish, fold?
Why in the world would the Navy want information to make carriers more survivable?
Perhaps our resident expert on everything can enlighten us?
[Edited by on May 22, 2005 at 07:44am.]
"Not a day goes by that I don't think about it," said Lee McNulty, president of the USS America Foundation, which wanted to turn the ship into a museum.
I was thinking that would have been a cool ship to take a tour of. Hopefully they at least got the information they need to make new ships safer.
The U-505 is the one at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
http://www.msichicago.org/exhibit/U505/index.html
I was in it when I was quite young and I still remember it being quite small and cramped. I don't know how the Germans could handle being in that thing for long periods of time. I would have gotten quite claustrophobic. It was the only German sub captured during WWII. Just an amazing piece of history.
The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago is the best one that I have ever seen. I am sure that there is better somewhere, but this one is definitely worth going to if you have not yet.
http://www.msichicago.org/
Nope, I haven't seen it yet.
You should. If I remember correctly, it was built for the world's fair in like the 1890's(?) and remodeled for the 1933 world fair. They have been adding stuff ever since. It is a humongous museum with a lot of hands on stuff. Anything industrial or scientific that you are interested in is probably there in great detail. You could probably spend the weekend there looking at stuff.
Another cool exhibit is the coal mine that they got in the basement. You go down an old mine shaft elevator to see the machinery and learn about how the mines work. It makes you feel like you really decend deap into the earth and tour a real mine.
It is really an impressive place. Take a look around the site that I linked to and I am sure you will find something that you are interested in. Unfortunately, the submarine is being restored right now, so it is closed.
Overall, well worth the trip to Chicago.
that has bothered me since he died, about 25 years ago.
Don't take it to hard, we were all young once and didn't know any better. I am sure that he understood that.
[Edited by on May 26, 2005 at 09:29pm.]
We've been on the Lexingtonin Corpus -- the Grey Ghost. It is awesome. Lots of interactive stuff and excellent films. It was hit by a kamikaze during the war. And the picture-taking is great. It's on a very scenic beach. We'll definitely go back.
That just has to be true coming from our resident vietnam war hero.
Will you show me how to get a monthly lifetime check from a few pieces of paper falling off a shelf?