I understand where you are coming from saying they are part of the website because they are. But my point is we don't control that aspect, and therefore it is ridiculous to say the reason he is banned is to prevent future harrassment.
I think preventing future harrassment is the key, which is why I am confused as to why Cocorosie and TMK decided to make this matter public after the harrassment stopped.
That being said, as long as there is no more harrassment, I don't feel like it is the place of the mods to punish someone by banning them. I think their job is to police this forum and make sure no harrassment goes on in it.
No, it shouldn't have made it this far. She told him a number of times to stop, to leave her alone. That she didn't want to be friends. She had to change her phone number. She had to move and not tell most of her friends on here. She has to use an alias for her residence. Yet why should she be the one that is punished for the actions of another individual who would not take no? He was warned. Yet he still persisted. And I don't mean this to be directed at you, just at people in general.
The point that I'm trying to make Tim, is that Nick used this website, in general, to do the things that we did. The mods banned him, and took a stand to say that harassment is NOT ok, in any way, shape, or form, wether it be in person, in the threads, or in an e-gram. Nick abused the privledge to be here. He had a chance to let everything go, and he chose not to, and now he faces the consequences for his actions.
I apologize tmk for it not being over for you, but perhaps for the group it is. you've involved us, we've gotten into a discussion which merited no conclusion or compromise, and the only thing we did compromise on was to drop it. I'm sorry things have been tough for everyone involved, I really am.
So if something bad happened, like a rape or a murder happened, as long as someone said it wasn't going to happen again, then a person shouldn't pay consequences for their actions? I know that's an extreme analogy, but I feel that it is true. Nick has stopped the egrams and contact because he has been proven to be using other means to contact Elissa.
Tim... by letting him stay in the forum... we'd be saying that it's ok for him to do what he did. By standing up and saying hey.. look dude... you messed up, you're done, is saying, we don't think that what was done was ok.
You can't have it both ways Tim. Egrams are part of the website on the whole, so - we have control over one part of it and have chosen to remove him from it.
Drunk driving doesn't involve this forum. He used this place as a method to harassment. And I feel strongly about this. I will fight strongly to oppose Nick being around here. I wanted him to get help. He didn't want it. I've seen what he's done to the person that matters to me the most. I find that totally unacceptable. So I'll continue to fight for what I believe in.
See, I believe strongly in the eye for an eye policy, but again, that's just me. When it comes to the whole harassment thing, as I said earlier, Nick had a chance to stop doing what he was doing. He chose not to, he abused his privledge, and now he no longer has it. noones fault but his own.
We went to the mods with this. The mods voted on it. If this horse is dead, are we saying that the horse is dead because we're agreeing that the moderators decision stands?
well... quite frankly, I really don't think that anyone cares what anyone else does with who ever, it's completely different, harassment is a whole different ball game. What people do in their private lives is one thing, but when someone harasses someone, and causes harm, be it physical or emotional, that's another.
I believe the issue will simply not be solved here. I'm starting to think the only reason it keeps being brought up is because people like to argue. I really don't think anyone is honestly trying to come up with a solution but simply defending their points over and over and over. It's ridiculous.
I think preventing future harrassment is the key, which is why I am confused as to why Cocorosie and TMK decided to make this matter public after the harrassment stopped.
That being said, as long as there is no more harrassment, I don't feel like it is the place of the mods to punish someone by banning them. I think their job is to police this forum and make sure no harrassment goes on in it.
If someone from this board drives drunk and endagers lives, I don't think they should be banned from this site.
That doesn't mean driving drunk is okay.
I apologize tmk for it not being over for you, but perhaps for the group it is. you've involved us, we've gotten into a discussion which merited no conclusion or compromise, and the only thing we did compromise on was to drop it. I'm sorry things have been tough for everyone involved, I really am.
I'm not trying to stir things. I honestly want this issue to get resolved in the best way possible for the Crew.
The point I'm making is it is not the mod's job to dole out punishments for wrongdoings that happened outside of their "juristiction" if you will.
Do they get banned?
and call me on blasphemy all you want, I don't care. This is absolutely ridiculous.
While we're at it, why don't we discuss abortion rights and the death penalty? I'm sure we can all come to a conclusion on what's right there, too.
I apologize tmk for it not being over for you, but perhaps for the group it is.
yeah. just because you want the horse dead, doesn't make it so.
See Terroristic threats.
just because you deem it outside of the jurisdiction doesn't mean that it necessarily is.
It's safe to say that in my hypothetical it wasn't a coincidence that this happened... the courtship that lead to the adultry was through this site.
now you've got my gossip meter wondering, tim :smile:
My point exactly.