I think Jake was banned for accessing another coolers account on PF in order to access threads he was already removed from for what ever reason at the time.
Ok... let me try it this way... let's just say... there was a bunch of us who had like... a secret thread where we talked about a bunch of stuff, vented, talked crap about people, what ever, and someone infiltrates it, and tells some of the people who were being talked about behind their backs what's goin on. Now.. obviously those who were doing the talking have a right to defend themselves by saying they were venting, or what ever, but if it were YOU being talked about, and I mean everyone in general, you wouldn't want to hear the reason why it's being done, U would just want it to stop, period. Am I right? It's the same principal guys... it really is. Nick chose to abuse this site to do his dirty work, and since this forum is part of this site, it should be included it. Seriously, because of his actions, I believe that he should be banned completely from this site. This is just my opinion. It has nothing to do with Nick as a person, it has to do with his actions.
I think Nick should be able to post a defense/goodbye/justification. I think we can all agree that there is a TRO against him. Once he does that, I think we should all vote, individually, by actual name and not avatar name, as to whether he should be allowed to post. And if he is allowed to post, that he has no contact through ANY method of Cooler crew usages - egram, forum, whatever.
And even if he can get back in, and even if we can't support it, that makes a statement that we as a group do not support harassment of cooler crew members in ANY way by other members, and if so, we'll ask you to leave.
My post as being a dissenter might have been missed, but despite that I wasn't called out individually, I'll tell you my opinion anyway.
We all paid to be part of this site. Generally, on the internet if you pay to do something, you get to do whatever you wish because you paid to do so, be it surf porn or chat or whatever.
If someone feels they're being harrassed, they contact the proper authorities and legal actions are taken. If the owner of the site is pressed to revoke someone's membership by the authorites, then it's his right to do so. An appointed group of people that are moderators of an individual folder within a site do not have the same control as the owner of the site does. All they do is moderate. They should not have the right to revoke membership, only to moderate the behavior and report anything that seems wrong. Since legal matters are pending, no individual or group of individuals who is not directly involved with those legal matters should be allowed to have any right to take matters into their own hands.
Since there is no code of conduct, it's kind of like martial law around here, but technically, we should just leave it up to the authorities and stay the hell out of it.
it has nothing to do with the so-called "breakfast club" Tim, I'm speaking in general, when someone does something to you that hurts you in any way, shape, or form, most people, don't care about what the person doing the harm has to say, because the harm has been done. Personally, I could careless if anyone talks about me behind my back. I mean, if a person can't say something to my face, then it just goes to show their levels of immaturity. I have nothing against anyone of the crew members personally, but I do/will have issues with actions.
Look, I agree that Nick has a right to "defend" himself, what ever, but I think we should all vote on it, on a personal level, like you said, U feel uncomfortable with some of the ppl in the crew being around your kids, and you asked if it is your responsiblity to out them publicly, YES, it is your responsibility, just as it is for a city to out a sexoffender that moves into their particular location. We all have a right here, to stand up and say harassment is harassment, in any shape or form, and we won't put up with it, just like you would have a major issue with a sex offender moving onto your block, you'd stand up to that, because your kids. It's the same principal.
So let me say this MM if I said the names of individuals that made me uncomfortable. And I had proof as to why....would it be fair to kick them out immediately and not let them give a defense?
ok. i use this forum to chat with my friends and to check out the new hunts. i only use the CCRC forum area. I have been harassed since I started hanging out with the cooler crew back in january by Exodus on the forums. since we've moved to this thread it got worse. as most of you know from the long letter i sent people. if you want to see it ask and i'll egram you it.
I see this forum and egrams as one because i use both of them equally as one. i have an extremely hard time pulling them apart.
the file, only documented since july, is about 9 inches thick with egrams from i believe up to 8 aliases. many of these aliases egrammed me at the same time nick would. which made it easier if i understand correctly for the admins to determine i.p.'s etc. the only reason nick was not banned by the admins sysops is because he could keep coming back as different names as much as he wants and they feel it would be so so much work to keep up with banning it would be difficult to stop him that way. which is why the mods approach should work. he knows why he was banned and what he has done. he knows this because the police have told him.
nick was not arrested, which i am happy for because incarceration is not the best way to find out you need help. the investigator and city attorney that decided upon the correct action in this case determined to sit nick down and tell him what they knew was true facts and that if he took one more step in the wrong direction again he'd be arrested. the ONLY reason they did this instead of arresting him is because til now he has no priors.
I can't explain to you the hurt and pain i feel everytime he posts in this thread or how much it kills me to see his name pop up on the who's here list.
I don't know what he could say to defend himself, that possibility confuses me.
I can explain more but i'm not sure what all to cover.
ok maybe it's not accurate, but it was the best one that I could think of. The point is, he did something, he got busted, he used this site, to do the things that he did. Since this forum is part of this site, as is the capablility to e-gram, he should be punished, and should not only lose his privledges from this forum, but from this site all together. Banning him from this forum is just a start.
I also feel that with no set code of conduct on this forum it was a difficult decision for the mods to make. although we all know if this was a forum set with a code of conduct wicked nick would have been banned a long time ago as soon as the ip info was known by the sysops. but then does the fact that one isn't in place make it ok for people to harass others.
elisa they may be connected for you, but I think it's pretty safe to say that banning nick from the forum isn't going to stop harrassing egrams. that's my point.
hopefully this is all over now that the police have talked to him, like I said I don't condone harrassment and I feel bad it happened.
I just don't agree that he should be banned for something that happened outside the forum.
I think that was a point that we were trying to make. That this board has not had a code of conduct set. By making it known what that is would have made all these decisions easier.
ok so then i'm confused. the sysops would ban nick but they haven't in fear it would cause them a lot of work until we are a pay site which would make it easier.
they see egram and forums as one. the egram is a function of the forum.
Look guys... I hope ya have no beef with me because of my opinions, because I have none with any of you. We all stand up for what we believe in, and we all should get props for that. No matter what, there's always going to be bad apples that are going to try to spoil things, I think the best thing that we can do, as a "community" is come together, like we're doing now, and discuss the issues, and come up with a solution to make things better for everyone as a whole. Saying that, I'm out to go get my grub on... I haven't eaten all day, and I'm starved, and the tacos r smelling good. Take care everyone, good night, and God bless.
every post he makes in the forum about anything that has been taken from him could be said to be third party harassment. i don't want to go into defining that because it's almost impossible. he can't get a job his family hates all because of somethin somebody did to him. is that not harassment right on the forum.
please look at it this way. you love coming here to do the hunts and noodle. but every time you log in you see him you see the one person that took your identity to the point where your name isn't even on your mailbox or your lookup in your appt. your phone number is changed and you moved.
the one place you can still hang out with a few good friends on line he still possesses. but with the ip identification the sysops and mods can give it back to you and they see that that makes sense so they ban him.
hey one question b4 I go... totally off the subject, lol but not really, anywho... how come I can't see the little bulls eye thingie that says I have an e-gram? Is it just a glitch or something?
Because if Jake was banned than banning isn't totally out of the question like Tim's suggesting.
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I think I would want to know why.
And even if he can get back in, and even if we can't support it, that makes a statement that we as a group do not support harassment of cooler crew members in ANY way by other members, and if so, we'll ask you to leave.
We all paid to be part of this site. Generally, on the internet if you pay to do something, you get to do whatever you wish because you paid to do so, be it surf porn or chat or whatever.
If someone feels they're being harrassed, they contact the proper authorities and legal actions are taken. If the owner of the site is pressed to revoke someone's membership by the authorites, then it's his right to do so. An appointed group of people that are moderators of an individual folder within a site do not have the same control as the owner of the site does. All they do is moderate. They should not have the right to revoke membership, only to moderate the behavior and report anything that seems wrong. Since legal matters are pending, no individual or group of individuals who is not directly involved with those legal matters should be allowed to have any right to take matters into their own hands.
Since there is no code of conduct, it's kind of like martial law around here, but technically, we should just leave it up to the authorities and stay the hell out of it.
also, nothing other than harrassing egrams has been proven as far as the cooler crew goes.
So let me say this MM if I said the names of individuals that made me uncomfortable. And I had proof as to why....would it be fair to kick them out immediately and not let them give a defense?
I see this forum and egrams as one because i use both of them equally as one. i have an extremely hard time pulling them apart.
the file, only documented since july, is about 9 inches thick with egrams from i believe up to 8 aliases. many of these aliases egrammed me at the same time nick would. which made it easier if i understand correctly for the admins to determine i.p.'s etc. the only reason nick was not banned by the admins sysops is because he could keep coming back as different names as much as he wants and they feel it would be so so much work to keep up with banning it would be difficult to stop him that way. which is why the mods approach should work. he knows why he was banned and what he has done. he knows this because the police have told him.
nick was not arrested, which i am happy for because incarceration is not the best way to find out you need help. the investigator and city attorney that decided upon the correct action in this case determined to sit nick down and tell him what they knew was true facts and that if he took one more step in the wrong direction again he'd be arrested. the ONLY reason they did this instead of arresting him is because til now he has no priors.
I can't explain to you the hurt and pain i feel everytime he posts in this thread or how much it kills me to see his name pop up on the who's here list.
I don't know what he could say to defend himself, that possibility confuses me.
I can explain more but i'm not sure what all to cover.
that's fine if you want to make a point, but that was a very incisive way of going about it.
I offered what I thought was a pretty fair compromise and got no takers earlier...
hopefully this is all over now that the police have talked to him, like I said I don't condone harrassment and I feel bad it happened.
I just don't agree that he should be banned for something that happened outside the forum.
I think that was a point that we were trying to make. That this board has not had a code of conduct set. By making it known what that is would have made all these decisions easier.
they see egram and forums as one. the egram is a function of the forum.
but this is our forum, in which no harrassment has taken place.
please look at it this way. you love coming here to do the hunts and noodle. but every time you log in you see him you see the one person that took your identity to the point where your name isn't even on your mailbox or your lookup in your appt. your phone number is changed and you moved.
the one place you can still hang out with a few good friends on line he still possesses. but with the ip identification the sysops and mods can give it back to you and they see that that makes sense so they ban him.
Otherwise, I don't think he should be banned.
the mods banning him makes him stop, i think because he knows who banned him.