I agree with Tater... the people who moderate this board are not people prone to making rash decisions without careful thought and consideration. I think these people have done everything possible to be fair and just.
Good common sense is relative and can get very icky....What may be offensive to me may be perfectly fine for someone else.
Part of the appeal of the internet is that you can be annonymous and hide your identity. Not sure I would do it. But people are able to be themselves if you dont know who they really are????
I personally think decisions should be made by the whole crew or a voted on representation. Then, a code of conduct would not be necessary.
Since they are not, we need more transparency and a code of conduct. I have been on many different boards and a common sense code has never worked. It always ends up being 1) the owner of the board makes the decisions or 2) those voted moderator get to make the decisions. We have neither.
Part of the appeal of the internet is that you can be annonymous and hide your identity. Not sure I would do it. But people are able to be themselves if you dont know who they really are????
not really, payme. you always leave footprints. for instance, when i was still living with my parents, i was providing wireless access for my brother and his roommate. one day i'm reading my email and i got a bounce message. looking at the subject i knew it was something viral. i knew it wasn't me, since i had all the latest dat files and what not. so i took the email, sent the headers to visi, and asked them to track down which ip address it came from. it took them about a half hour to track down that it came from my brother's roommate's computer, which got infected when he took a friends hard drive into it for some checking.
As we grow and go through more situations that we thought we would never find ourselves in we find that we haven't had the foresight to prepare for things we couldn't possibly be prepared for. In hindsight yes, we probably should have a code of conduct because this place is so big and there are so many people and not everyone always sees eye to eye. But I also think that basic rules of civility... that we don't misrepresent who we are or harass people need to apply.
All one would need is an email from Nick to get his IP address.
wrong. all one would need is snippets from the email server's log files to get the ip address. the acquisition of which, unless its someone at his isp, is a federal crime.
You may have misunderstood me...What I was answering to Redbear is why people would want multiple personalities on the boards. Most people wouldnt do checking unless it was necessary.....
oj wasn't found guilty either. this isn't a court of law. the owner of this site has tracked down the fact that the various egrams from the various people came from the same ip address. and its not just tmk and coco that have received them. i have, thx has, cm has, i believe kitch has, me2 has, all from nick posing as exodus. the reality is that he's affected more than just the two of them.
I suggest you get the whole story leelabell... it is pretty clear cut harassment coming from one ip address.... help me out here tmk... how many messages? I have seen the case file... unreal!
In hindsight yes, we probably should have a code of conduct because this place is so big and there are so many people and not everyone always sees eye to eye.
might be in the works.....which sucks for me...I just know I can't be free anymore.
also...fwiw Nick can still read other parts of AbleMinds.......
anybody is more than welcome to make folders and threads....as long as you are prepared to pay for them....
I hope that didn't sound snotty... I really didn't intend it to... was just suggesting that you take a look at what just blew my mind as far as sheer volume
I understood but I don't think it makes sense. If we're to have a code of conduct and transperency around here like leelabell wants, isn't the first step to that accountability for what you say to and about people?
You may have misunderstood me...What I was answering to Redbear is why people would want multiple personalities on the boards. Most people wouldnt do checking unless it was necessary.....
Did that make sense?
yup. and my statement still holds true. there is no such thing as anonymity. because your footprints are left in the server logs.
i've made a couple of posts that my log analyzer on coolercrew.com has pointed out some interesting (aka porn) sites that have links to coolercrew.com. well, after doing a little homework on the matter and reading through said logs i traced down every single access to a single ip address registered in canada. interesting stuff those log files are. i don't know how deeply tim and mark have the logs set here, but they can even be configured to go so far as to log any cookies with the visit (and just so everyone knows, coolercrew.com doesn't set any cookies, unless you have any left over from that test form way back in the day).
It is not that I don't believe what happened. It is that I don't like how it was handled here. But, bigger picture, we need to think about how moderation happens, why it happens, and when it happens.
I think I can speak for Coco in that we would be willing to share what has happened to us on our end. We feel that we have done nothing wrong in this at all, and that we are the victims.
To answer OT's question, yes. He continued contact with her after a Harassment Restraining Order was put against him.
Yes. Nick was served the HRO. He stopped direct contact via phone and egram via his own name. But he continued to contact her through the Shaggy/Exodus accounts.
Redbear, I absolutely agree that we should take responsibility for our own actions. We also need to know what the repruccussions of those actions are. Here they are not clearly defined. Should they be?
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from this one its hard to tell if psilocybe.update.uu.se is the originating computer of the email or not. but this header is also surprisingly easy to track with the user id. Received: by Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE (Postfix, from userid 5553)
nah it wasn't you. it was someone who ironically, only loaded up the front page from opera. none of the standard things (style sheet, images, etc) followed with it. just the front page. it was very weird.
Ok, I'm going 2 go ahead and stick my 2 cents in here, even though I'm sure people are going to pick this thing to shreds and spazz out. Hopefully not, but if anyone does, I do apologize.
I've been friends with Nick for a while now. Nick has issues, major ones. I have tried, on MANY different occasions to help him. I've begged him to get help, but he will not do it. Nick is a pathological liar, and I myself have busted him on many different things. He lies to get attention. It's sad, but it is true. I don't hate Nick, but I DO hate the things that he's done.
Nick is very, very, serverely depressed, and as Red said, he's on a downward spiral. The thing with Nick is that he'll never admit to the things that were done. These things were PROVEN, not only by TMK, Coco, and myself, but also the law. Reguardless of the situation, nothing justifies the fact that he over stepped his boundries by falsely impersonating someone else, who had absolutely nothing to do with what was going on.
 For example, when this all started, Nick took a converstaion that he and I had, re-typed it, and turned my words around. How do I know this? Because I log all of my msgr conversations. He's not in his right mind, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Like I said, I begged and pleaded with him, from a friends perspective, to get help, to let it go. But he wouldn't. Frankly, he has noone to blame but himself. If he would've stopped the whole thing earlier on, none of this would've happened. There's a lot that even I don't know, and there's a lot the rest of you don't know, but what I DO know, is what I have experianced from this whole thing.
Banning Nick is not a bad thing. He lost the privledges to come here because of his actions. If it were anyone of us, who went to the extremes that he did, they would most likely do the same thing.
I feel sorry for Nick because he's so caught up in his own fantasy world that he can't see reality. I don't feel sorry that Nick got banned, a restraining order put on him, ect. He got what he desereved, and unless you have been harassed by someone, like I have, and Coco, and TMK has, you'll never know what it feels like, and all you'll want is justice, no matter how it's served.
I am well aware of that and there is nothing I say in here I would not say to his face. Like I said I did respond to his egram and what I am saying here should come as no surprise to him. I hope he gets help.
Hey, I have no problems saying anything to his face. Hell, I even offered to kick his ass because he pissed me off so bad... lol but "violence is not the answer" won that whole thing, so I just yelled @ him on the phone when he called me.
well, i wouldn't say there was any harassment going on with those either.
That being said, I think they're common knowledge and both people are willing to share if you ask them.
I think if people want all the facts then by all means, egram them and ask for both sides and make an informed decision like the moderators did.
cocorosie
wicked nick
Part of the appeal of the internet is that you can be annonymous and hide your identity. Not sure I would do it. But people are able to be themselves if you dont know who they really are????
::shakes head...i have trouble making sense::
Since they are not, we need more transparency and a code of conduct. I have been on many different boards and a common sense code has never worked. It always ends up being 1) the owner of the board makes the decisions or 2) those voted moderator get to make the decisions. We have neither.
If there is nothing stopping people from registering, the board is public.
not really, payme. you always leave footprints. for instance, when i was still living with my parents, i was providing wireless access for my brother and his roommate. one day i'm reading my email and i got a bounce message. looking at the subject i knew it was something viral. i knew it wasn't me, since i had all the latest dat files and what not. so i took the email, sent the headers to visi, and asked them to track down which ip address it came from. it took them about a half hour to track down that it came from my brother's roommate's computer, which got infected when he took a friends hard drive into it for some checking.
Again, I am not condoning harassment. I just want us to think about how, when, and why we moderate.
wrong. all one would need is snippets from the email server's log files to get the ip address. the acquisition of which, unless its someone at his isp, is a federal crime.
Did that make sense?
oj wasn't found guilty either. this isn't a court of law. the owner of this site has tracked down the fact that the various egrams from the various people came from the same ip address. and its not just tmk and coco that have received them. i have, thx has, cm has, i believe kitch has, me2 has, all from nick posing as exodus. the reality is that he's affected more than just the two of them.
might be in the works.....which sucks for me...I just know I can't be free anymore.
also...fwiw Nick can still read other parts of AbleMinds.......
anybody is more than welcome to make folders and threads....as long as you are prepared to pay for them....
Has this harassment continued even after the courts told him to stop?
Did that make sense?
yup. and my statement still holds true. there is no such thing as anonymity. because your footprints are left in the server logs.
i've made a couple of posts that my log analyzer on coolercrew.com has pointed out some interesting (aka porn) sites that have links to coolercrew.com. well, after doing a little homework on the matter and reading through said logs i traced down every single access to a single ip address registered in canada. interesting stuff those log files are. i don't know how deeply tim and mark have the logs set here, but they can even be configured to go so far as to log any cookies with the visit (and just so everyone knows, coolercrew.com doesn't set any cookies, unless you have any left over from that test form way back in the day).
It is not that I don't believe what happened. It is that I don't like how it was handled here. But, bigger picture, we need to think about how moderation happens, why it happens, and when it happens.
To answer OT's question, yes. He continued contact with her after a Harassment Restraining Order was put against him.
and that if you google for "coolercrew cheezy p0rn" you know I came in from "coolercrew cheezy p0rn"google page?
Redbear, I absolutely agree that we should take responsibility for our own actions. We also need to know what the repruccussions of those actions are. Here they are not clearly defined. Should they be?
you read them from bottom up, so the actual path is:
from this one its hard to tell if psilocybe.update.uu.se is the originating computer of the email or not.
but this header is also surprisingly easy to track with the user id.
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I've been friends with Nick for a while now. Nick has issues, major ones. I have tried, on MANY different occasions to help him. I've begged him to get help, but he will not do it. Nick is a pathological liar, and I myself have busted him on many different things. He lies to get attention. It's sad, but it is true. I don't hate Nick, but I DO hate the things that he's done.
Nick is very, very, serverely depressed, and as Red said, he's on a downward spiral. The thing with Nick is that he'll never admit to the things that were done. These things were PROVEN, not only by TMK, Coco, and myself, but also the law. Reguardless of the situation, nothing justifies the fact that he over stepped his boundries by falsely impersonating someone else, who had absolutely nothing to do with what was going on.
 For example, when this all started, Nick took a converstaion that he and I had, re-typed it, and turned my words around. How do I know this? Because I log all of my msgr conversations. He's not in his right mind, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Like I said, I begged and pleaded with him, from a friends perspective, to get help, to let it go. But he wouldn't. Frankly, he has noone to blame but himself. If he would've stopped the whole thing earlier on, none of this would've happened. There's a lot that even I don't know, and there's a lot the rest of you don't know, but what I DO know, is what I have experianced from this whole thing.
Banning Nick is not a bad thing. He lost the privledges to come here because of his actions. If it were anyone of us, who went to the extremes that he did, they would most likely do the same thing.
I feel sorry for Nick because he's so caught up in his own fantasy world that he can't see reality. I don't feel sorry that Nick got banned, a restraining order put on him, ect. He got what he desereved, and unless you have been harassed by someone, like I have, and Coco, and TMK has, you'll never know what it feels like, and all you'll want is justice, no matter how it's served.
FWIW---NICK can still read this thread!!!!!
all he needs to do is create a new account!!!!!
I'm just stating this so people are aware.
Hey, I have no problems saying anything to his face. Hell, I even offered to kick his ass because he pissed me off so bad... lol but "violence is not the answer" won that whole thing, so I just yelled @ him on the phone when he called me.