Abortion debate

Fetuses feel pain, doctor testifies

Really? Imagine that!

LINCOLN, Neb. — A federal judge on Friday offered to let a medical expert help him decide a case challenging the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act to dispel possible perceptions of bias toward the plaintiffs.

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Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)who said he opposes abortion except to save the life of the mother, said Congress should consider legislation that would prohibit judges from ruling on legislation dealing with certain subjects, including abortion and same-sex marriages.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116684,00.html

I am "pro-choice," but this is something the people have to decide, not judges. And partial-birth abortion is NEVER medically necessary to save a woman's life or PHYSICAL health.

"And partial-birth abortion is NEVER medically necessary to save a woman's life or PHYSICAL health."

Isn't it against the law now?

Well, judges will be deciding. Not doctors. How can you be so sure it's never medically necessary?

And partial-birth abortion is NEVER medically necessary to save a woman's life or PHYSICAL health.

I understand that this is what Republican Senator Rick Santorum says...

Senator Rick Santorum, one of the leaders in the Senate of a D&X ban, said that the procedure is a gruesome form of infanticide. [The term infanticide refers to the killing of a newborn infant; it is not applicable to an unborn fetus during a D&X procedure.] Senator Santorum also said that it is a lie to argue that a D&X is sometimes required to protect a woman from a serious health risk. But if he truly believed that statement, then he would not have objected to President Clinton's request that an exemption be added to the bill in cases of serious health risks to the woman. After all, if there was no risk of a devastating health problem, then the exemption would never be exercised, and there would be no harm in including it in the bill.

but you may want to explain that to Maureen...

"My doctor informed us that Dahlia had a fatal anomaly called anacephaly, in which the brain stem develops, but not the brain. My doctor and the medical experts at New England Medical Center reviewed our medical options with us, but they all recommended the same thing -- to protect my health, we should induce labor immediately...They anticipated that it would be a standard delivery and that because Dahlia had no brain she would die as soon as the umbilical cord was cut. After 13 hours of labor, I started to deliver Dahlia. Unexpectedly, a complication arose and Dahlia was lodged in my birth canal. Our doctors had to cut the umbilical cord in order to complete the delivery, and avoid serious health consequences to me. Dahlia died while she was still in my birth canal...what my doctors did would be illegal if the `Partial Birth Abortion Ban" Act is enacted...I am a textbook case of why this legislation is dangerous. Yes, my daughter died while in the process of being born, but what happened to me is the kind of unforeseen complication that sometimes occurs. If legislation like the ban you are considering becomes law, doctors like mine...could be sent to jail for acting in an emergency situation to protect a woman from injury." - Maureen Britell

Republican platform #78: Force women to deliver their brainless fetuses by lying about medical realities.

I am "pro-choice" means I am for the dismembermentof unborn children. Why not be for partial birth abortion?

They aren't the same thing at all, jethro. I'm OK with first-trimester abortions.

I'm OK with first-trimester abortions.

So you don't mind ripping the poor child limb from limb?

That doesn't happen in first trimester abortions.

That doesn't happen in first trimester abortions.

Really? See http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htmand http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionPictures1.htm

Seek the truth, it will set you free.

Guess I'm wrong.

from a crabs post a while back:

Our doctors had to cut the umbilical cord in order to complete the delivery, and avoid serious health consequences to me. Dahlia died while she was still in my birth canal...what my doctors did would be illegal if the `Partial Birth Abortion Ban" Act is enacted...

I did not see anything in her description that qualifies as partial birth abortion. It seems that either this poor woman was used for political reasons or it just another proabortion lie. But crabs disseminating lies is nothing new.

I did not see anything in her description that qualifies as partial birth abortion.

Dr. bodine has spoken

did it ever occur to you that the "partial abortion ban" might include things that you don't think qualify as "partial birth abortions"?

are you surethat the procedure she had isn't included?

are you, Dr. bodine?

Dr. bodine has spoken

You aren't a doctor, crabs so you can't say you have any better frame of reference. If you know what partial birth abortion is you would know that what is described in your propaganda isn't it.

did it ever occur to you that the "partial abortion ban" might include things that you don't think qualify as "partial birth abortions"? It doesn't. And just becuase you say so doesn't make it so. You have zero credibility, crabs.

are you sure that the procedure she had isn't included? Yes. If her description, if you can call it that, of what occured is correct.

How’s this for “reality TV ”? Tuesday night a British network televised an abortion.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/chuckcolson/cc20040422.shtml

A pro-abortion marcher in Washington on Sunday said, "I just had to be here to fight for the next generation and the generation after that." I'd like to ask her which generation aborted babies belong to.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040427.shtml

Freedom of choice?

Freedom of choice?

Freedom of choice?

the unborn have no legal rights

you're mixing apples with oranges

immorality and illegality are not the same thing.

IMO, it is perfectly legal for a woman to have an abortion. She is the one who must abide by her system of morals.

we didn't create the prisoner, did we? or did we?

the mother created her fetus

if you want to use this analogy, fine...let's look at it.

if you want to use this analogy, fine...let's look at it.

And by carrying out the death penalty on convicted murderers, we are simply abiding by our system of morals.

no, not everyone's morals

Uhm, so did the father.

often without the consent of the mother.

Most often with.

if the mother wanted to be pregnant, she wouldn't need an abortion

Same goes for abortion. The end result is the same as with the death penalty. You're still killing a human being.

Wrong, because the fetus is not yet a human being, and as such, is not afforded rights.

You seem to run quite often when pressed THX

If she didn't want to get pregnant, she wouldn't have sex.

it's the man when it's convienent to your argument and the woman when it's not.

No Damon, THX realizes you're a total frick'in idiot.

He's just like you Torp when pressed for logic and reasoning. The difference is he runs away from the debate, whereas you committ any number of logical fallacies. Here is your latest.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

Exactly, and society has not afforded the fetus rights.

A little info JT. Damon was voted the most annoying poster by his colleagues on other boards. If he hangs around, you will soon find out why.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

11:37 AM - Fetus

11:38 AM - Baby

Yeah, that's real logical.

it's called "birth"

perhaps you have heard of it?

Unborn children don't have any rights?

Then why is Scott Petersen being charged with 2 murders?

Why are more and more states calling it murder if an unborn child is killed due to an attack on the mother?