I've read a shitload on the subject.....and it seems like everybody has an opionion about which ones are best for home...it gets mighty confusing, because I'm sure most opions are correct. Each disc, when used "right, has a distinct role in the game.
I would stick with a driver, approach, and a putter...
but after that...I think I would suggest used for a while...just 'cuz you can buy more for him to try different ones...I'd rather have 4 used ones vs. a top new one.
B. Disc Entrapment Devices: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains or within one of the entrapment sections. This includes a disc wedged into or hanging from the lower entrapment section but excludes a disc resting on top of, or hanging outside of, the upper entrapment section. The disc must also remain within the chains or entrapment sections until removed.
Clue Master..correct me if I'm wrong...but I think I'm right! :eyeroll:
Yes, you are right Kitchypoo. But I still wonder if there's a sub-rule out there that stipulates how much of the disc has to be inside the basket. We always play that it counts anyway just because of the 'entertainment value' rule that we have. Just like if you hit the air raid box on hole 8 you get to save a stroke. Unfortunately, it's only happened once in all the years I've played there. Here's a tidbit of info for Tim about why we play par 3:
Question: Is every hole par 3?
The simple answer is no, not necessarily, though in practice it's almost always done that way.
In a way, par is irrelevant since it's your total score that matters. That's what you should be using to measure your performance (against prior rounds, against those you're competing with, etc). But par is useful in that it provides a general reference point, as it does in traditional golf.
Par is whatever is assigned to a hole by the designer. Since disc golf was originally modeled after "par three" ball golf, disc golf holes have a tradition of being par three as well. In the early days that worked fine, as pretty much every hole was reachable. Since then, holes which require two or more shots to reach have become fairly common. While they may have a realistic par of 4, 5, or more, they are often played as par threes in tournament play. The practical par is sometimes posted on tee signs so that newer players have a reasonable goal.
Almost all experienced golfers consider an 18-hole course to have a par of 54, and will speak of scores in reference to that, so that (for example) "2 under" means 52. It's often easier to talk about scores relative to par than total scores.
About the right disc for pops - If he was to own one disc I would say to buy a ROC. It's the best intermediate all around stable disc he could use starting out. It works as a driver, midrange and putting disc.
I would agree with Kitch on the 3 disc approach if he was going to invest in them. There is inferior plastic out there but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference at this point. Once he gets better he can think about the better quality plastic (I like the Z-plastic) which can handle the stronger throws.
He really impressed me today. I'm not just saying that either. I don't care how old he is - he rocked for his first time.
I think he'll get the 3. It's not a HUGE expense and they last a while (as long as you don't throw them into a swamp). Probably just see if I can get some cheap ones or some used ones then?
just because it tells you what the disc is supposed to do....but I get all confused 'cuz I throw sidearm....left is right...right is left...ya right....
Its more Like if I throw it hard and high it drift's left..then back to the right...
If I throw it hard and flat..I get a left curve...
If I don't throw as hard I get a roller...
I need help from a pro....I'm either buying a book or getting lesson's...
Here's the baby I like as my driver. I increased my drive by over 40 feet the first time I started using it. I was lucky enough to find a guy selling a used one at the park. He found it in that pond at Acorn. Bonus for both of us. I'm sure some pro was using it during a tournament and had to take a stroke and just kept playing. The disc is fairly new to the market.
I seen a guy with one of them. It's weird. It was super small but had a thick edge so the weight was regulation. I like the idea that it flies like TeeBird which is what I lost before buying my Flash. Plus it can handle the over-power that seems to happen later in the season like this. Cool find. I might get one if they make it out of the Z-plastic like that one reviewer mentioned.
the more I read...the more $$ I want to spend on disc's....
but I'm going to hold off until next spring when I can take a lesson from the pro in town. Only $20 for 18 holes. I'm sure it will be money well spent.
I want to buy disc's but I'm thinking money on lessons, books, videos, etc...would be a better investment in my game at this point.
Yeah he rocks! He's fun to watch during the tournaments. I guess I didn't realize that he hasn't won a big one yet. I always thought he won shit. You'd know him by all the kids that gather around him and ask for him to sign their discs.
I might do that with you since I haven't really improved much in the last 10 years of playing. I need an outside influence to direct me other than beer. I wonder if he would do a double for us for a discount? Either way $20 is pretty good for 18 holes.
Uneasiness grips the gallery of more than 100 spectators as Timmy steps up to the 18th and final tee. The basket is 370 feet away, beyond a murky pond that encroaches upon most of the fairway. The crowd anticipates that he'll play it to the right, curving his disc safely around the water's edge. If he makes par, the tournament will be his. But Timmy does otherwise. He takes a few steps back, runs to the line and launches his high-tech pie pan straight across the water toward the pin. Spectators stare in stunned silence as the disc flies too high, stalls and falls to the left, just clearing the pond but skittering onto its gunite embankment. "That's O.B.," mutters one viewer, using disc golfer's parlance for out of bounds.
Tim Gill is shooting blind. Hole No. 4 is a tricky one, hidden behind a grove of trees on a 490-foot approach that snakes up a rocky, weedy hill. For this kind of shot you need a plan.
Gill pulls a putter from his bag. Then he throws it.
At 29, Gill is the No. 16 ranked professional golfer in the world. That's disc golf. And it's one of the hottest, most rapidly growing sports in Minnesota.
It was invented in 1975 by Californian "Steady Ed" Headrick and was adopted by West Coast hipsters and college kids. Now an estimated 100,000 Minnesotans -- most of them young and male, but increasingly women -- are among about 2 million recreational players nationwide.
"When I started playing in 1993 there were 30 disc golf courses in the state. Now there are 92," Gill said.
Disc golf is cheap. It's easy to learn. It follows the rules of conventional golf. And it's free to play on most courses in Minnesota, which has the third-largest number in the United States, behind Texas and Iowa. Despite the tripling of courses over the past decade, the exponential growth in players means that players soon may have to call ahead for tee times.
"A lot of the courses are just beautiful, by lakes and streams. You're playing through trees and overlooking water," Gill said. "We utilize parts of parks like marshy lowlands and hilly parts that can't be used for anything else."
Gill and his buddy Steve Beckman, 45, are playing the 12-hole course at Bryant Lake Regional Park in Eden Prairie. Between them, the two men have designed six of the newest courses in the state. Says Beckman, "Give us a woods, some rough terrain and we'll build a course."
While growing up in Edina, Gill was an avid baseball, football and hockey player. He still plays hockey. But he gave up a more lucrative job selling medical equipment to start his Par72DiscGolf.com business.
"It's a sport I can play forever," says Gill, a muscular blond whose self-assurance borders on swagger. "It's great to be a pioneer in a sport that's growing so fast. Fifty years from now, people will say, 'Tim Gill is the reason we're here.' "
Gill pulls up to the Bryant Lake course in a former FedEx van painted white and sporting his Par72 logo. By 5:30 p.m. he's opened the truck, loaded with racks of the latest discs, hats, bags, towels, T-shirts and DVDs, for business. Despite the steamy 95-degree heat, two dozen males and one girlfriend who came along to work on her tan show up for one of the Twin Cities' eight leagues.
In another line of work Gill might worry about conflicts of interest. Not only does he organize league play, but he sells equipment to players, then competes against them. But from the way he doles out advice -- and considering how other players soak it up -- you get a sense of the respect he commands in the sport.
"You see those shots that are so gracefully placed -- and Timmy can show you probably better than anybody -- they just float forever," says Troy Iverson, 40, of Chaska, who after playing disc golf for 20 years has gotten his son, Keegan, 12, involved in league play. As Iverson talks, Keegan shows up, triumphantly flying a powerful driver that he fished from a mucky park pond where its former owner declined to venture.
Other young players, like Michael Fuad, 14, of Eden Prairie, burrow into the back of Gill's truck, ooohing over discs of every color and quizzing Gill on his favorite models. Fuad's dad introduced him to the game five years ago. "Now I'm completely hooked," he says.
Gill is seeing more young players enter the sport because they're tired of the politics, time commitment, expense and peer pressure of team sports. With disc golf, "they go out when they want. And they don't have to be at practice from 3 to 6 o'clock after school every day."
From his perch on the back of his truck, Gill announces threesome and foursomes. He and Beckman are paired with two skilled "up and coming" players from St. Cloud -- Hugh Fandeen, 22, and Mike Anderson, 26.
They make their way to fairways that are narrow and flanked by swaths of grassy roughs and the disc-swallowing pond. All 12 holes at the Bryant Lake course are par 3's, regardless of difficulty level. That's generally true in disc golf, although Gill and other designers are pushing for new courses to have pars that reflect a hole's true difficulty.
The green is actually a circle of new mulch around a metal basket with chains dangling from an overhead metal plate. That's the goal -- the "Pole Hole" -- which has been described as looking like a cross between an antique TV antenna and a broken umbrella.
The mulch smells great on a hot day. The overlook views are stunning. And the foursome is so laid-back that play feels more like camaraderie than cutthroat competition. As in ball golf, there's a code of courtesy: Players stand quietly as opponents make their tosses and they help each other find discs stuck in tall weeds or wildflowers.
Gill says the sport requires grace, strength, a good eye and a deft touch -- not brute force. "You get your whole body into it, like a discus thrower. It takes a lot more power and energy than just flicking a wrist."
All that is evident as Gill takes his shot at that pesky hole No. 4 with its blind approach.
He starts at the back of the cement tee pad, which is 15 feet long and 5 feet wide. He steps left, then right, then crosses back with what is called an X-step and releases the disc with a powerful backhand arc. His movements are beautiful. He could be dancing.
Gill's favorite disc -- a beat-up, 10-year-old white Discraft "Magnet" -- sails high and straight, banking right around the trees as if it were turning the corner at a green light.
"Nice pull!" Beckman exclaims. "I don't even have that shot. And most players don't."
Gill's disc lands 7 feet from the Pole Hole. One more throw and he will put it in. Just the way he planned it.
Where did you find that list. I'm curious where Scott Stoakly and my first partner Chuck Kennedy sit? I know Chuck started getting into course design more recently along with Geoff George. I wonder where he's at? Oh, and did you see who the course pro is for Cottage Grove? :grin:
It was invented in 1975 by Californian "Steady Ed" Headrick
I have a mini signed by Steady Eddie before he died and had his ashes put into a collector series disc.
holy crap...490 feet with a putter...damn...
My thoughts exactly!
"Nice pull!"
HAHA - We heard that sooo many times during the Winter Carnival tournaments that we use it as a joke now. So if you hear us say "Nice pull - this is for money", it's because of all the wannabee linguists out there. You know the kind, they take a day and a half to line up their shot only to slam it into the ground 15 feet in front of them. :chagrin:
I flipped the disc upside down and threw it sidearm....I threw 3 of them this way...all three wound up less than 5 feet apart from each other....
each one flew up sidedown...flipped upright...and then rolled down the field..and stopped when it lost its momentumn....I could only throw it this way about 150 feet...
I'm not exactly sure when I would use it...but I'm sure I will at some point since it was consitant
kinda cool...I honestly thought I'd never use itand would have no control (plus make me look like an idiot)...but I wanted to see the flight pattern...
oh...and I bought a used disc today...bought a Discraft Clyclone with a custom stamp on it...ugly green...not 2 beat up for $5 bucks...
I've been chatting a little bit with Timmy Gill the designer of Hyland...
It sounds like he is working with an investor and in the process of acquiring a piece of land that he would be able to put in 27 holes....
He wants to try to make it so 1,10, and 19 all start from the proshop. He wants to make this a pay course and use a cash box....it sounds like it would be a short drive from the cities...I wish I knew which way....but I'm thinkin' Wisconsin.....
really cool part....I suggest he tries to make it a night course and he ate it up!!!
its going to be a reddish/orange "z-putter" 174 grams with the same logo that I've got on my current avatar...will say KITCH on the top...and COOLER CREW on the bottom.
He didn't have any blue ones...
:frown:
$20....wow... I paid $4 for shipping...
I told him that one of you might be interested in a disc...If you wanted to order one he would ship it with mine for no additional cost for 1 more disc.
...when he said he was a Viking Fan...so check out this....
Damn! I'd love to try for the distance contest. We met the Minnesota long range holder at Hyland yesterday. He said he threw it 545' on flat land. We each threw the same distance on hold 18. About 750'.
I'll take it every time. I felt like giving him a buck or two. :grin:
I would stick with a driver, approach, and a putter...
but after that...I think I would suggest used for a while...just 'cuz you can buy more for him to try different ones...I'd rather have 4 used ones vs. a top new one.
...but damn I love mine...
http://www.scottstokely.com/sponsorship.htm
B. Disc Entrapment Devices: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains or within one of the entrapment sections. This includes a disc wedged into or hanging from the lower entrapment section but excludes a disc resting on top of, or hanging outside of, the upper entrapment section. The disc must also remain within the chains or entrapment sections until removed.
Clue Master..correct me if I'm wrong...but I think I'm right! :eyeroll:
Question: Is every hole par 3?
The simple answer is no, not necessarily, though in practice it's almost always done that way.
In a way, par is irrelevant since it's your total score that matters. That's what you should be using to measure your performance (against prior rounds, against those you're competing with, etc). But par is useful in that it provides a general reference point, as it does in traditional golf.
Par is whatever is assigned to a hole by the designer. Since disc golf was originally modeled after "par three" ball golf, disc golf holes have a tradition of being par three as well. In the early days that worked fine, as pretty much every hole was reachable. Since then, holes which require two or more shots to reach have become fairly common. While they may have a realistic par of 4, 5, or more, they are often played as par threes in tournament play. The practical par is sometimes posted on tee signs so that newer players have a reasonable goal.
Almost all experienced golfers consider an 18-hole course to have a par of 54, and will speak of scores in reference to that, so that (for example) "2 under" means 52. It's often easier to talk about scores relative to par than total scores.
Yours Sincerely,
The PDGA Rules Committee
I would agree with Kitch on the 3 disc approach if he was going to invest in them. There is inferior plastic out there but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference at this point. Once he gets better he can think about the better quality plastic (I like the Z-plastic) which can handle the stronger throws.
He really impressed me today. I'm not just saying that either. I don't care how old he is - he rocked for his first time.
He reminded me of another certain CCDGer. :smile:
for an online site...I kinda liked this one...
just because it tells you what the disc is supposed to do....but I get all confused 'cuz I throw sidearm....left is right...right is left...ya right....
Its more Like if I throw it hard and high it drift's left..then back to the right...
If I throw it hard and flat..I get a left curve...
If I don't throw as hard I get a roller...
I need help from a pro....I'm either buying a book or getting lesson's...
http://www.discfly.com/productinfo.aspx?productid=DCEZFLASH
40Feet?? holy crap...I want I want....
this looks cooler...but It says if you hit a tree you might want to get a new one....
looks Like I can only play it at HOLE #8
but I'm going to hold off until next spring when I can take a lesson from the pro in town. Only $20 for 18 holes. I'm sure it will be money well spent.
I want to buy disc's but I'm thinking money on lessons, books, videos, etc...would be a better investment in my game at this point.
I might do that with you since I haven't really improved much in the last 10 years of playing. I need an outside influence to direct me other than beer. I wonder if he would do a double for us for a discount? Either way $20 is pretty good for 18 holes.
should read the article on him...he's cocky and needs a lesson from the ClueMaster school of laying up... http://www.forbes.com/business/fyi/2004/0524/041.html
Timmy is the Phil Mickelson of disc golf.
Uneasiness grips the gallery of more than 100 spectators as Timmy steps up to the 18th and final tee. The basket is 370 feet away, beyond a murky pond that encroaches upon most of the fairway. The crowd anticipates that he'll play it to the right, curving his disc safely around the water's edge. If he makes par, the tournament will be his. But Timmy does otherwise. He takes a few steps back, runs to the line and launches his high-tech pie pan straight across the water toward the pin. Spectators stare in stunned silence as the disc flies too high, stalls and falls to the left, just clearing the pond but skittering onto its gunite embankment. "That's O.B.," mutters one viewer, using disc golfer's parlance for out of bounds.
Gill pulls a putter from his bag. Then he throws it.
At 29, Gill is the No. 16 ranked professional golfer in the world. That's disc golf. And it's one of the hottest, most rapidly growing sports in Minnesota.
It was invented in 1975 by Californian "Steady Ed" Headrick and was adopted by West Coast hipsters and college kids. Now an estimated 100,000 Minnesotans -- most of them young and male, but increasingly women -- are among about 2 million recreational players nationwide.
"When I started playing in 1993 there were 30 disc golf courses in the state. Now there are 92," Gill said.
Disc golf is cheap. It's easy to learn. It follows the rules of conventional golf. And it's free to play on most courses in Minnesota, which has the third-largest number in the United States, behind Texas and Iowa. Despite the tripling of courses over the past decade, the exponential growth in players means that players soon may have to call ahead for tee times.
"A lot of the courses are just beautiful, by lakes and streams. You're playing through trees and overlooking water," Gill said. "We utilize parts of parks like marshy lowlands and hilly parts that can't be used for anything else."
Gill and his buddy Steve Beckman, 45, are playing the 12-hole course at Bryant Lake Regional Park in Eden Prairie. Between them, the two men have designed six of the newest courses in the state. Says Beckman, "Give us a woods, some rough terrain and we'll build a course."
While growing up in Edina, Gill was an avid baseball, football and hockey player. He still plays hockey. But he gave up a more lucrative job selling medical equipment to start his Par72DiscGolf.com business.
"It's a sport I can play forever," says Gill, a muscular blond whose self-assurance borders on swagger. "It's great to be a pioneer in a sport that's growing so fast. Fifty years from now, people will say, 'Tim Gill is the reason we're here.' "
Gill pulls up to the Bryant Lake course in a former FedEx van painted white and sporting his Par72 logo. By 5:30 p.m. he's opened the truck, loaded with racks of the latest discs, hats, bags, towels, T-shirts and DVDs, for business. Despite the steamy 95-degree heat, two dozen males and one girlfriend who came along to work on her tan show up for one of the Twin Cities' eight leagues.
In another line of work Gill might worry about conflicts of interest. Not only does he organize league play, but he sells equipment to players, then competes against them. But from the way he doles out advice -- and considering how other players soak it up -- you get a sense of the respect he commands in the sport.
"You see those shots that are so gracefully placed -- and Timmy can show you probably better than anybody -- they just float forever," says Troy Iverson, 40, of Chaska, who after playing disc golf for 20 years has gotten his son, Keegan, 12, involved in league play. As Iverson talks, Keegan shows up, triumphantly flying a powerful driver that he fished from a mucky park pond where its former owner declined to venture.
Other young players, like Michael Fuad, 14, of Eden Prairie, burrow into the back of Gill's truck, ooohing over discs of every color and quizzing Gill on his favorite models. Fuad's dad introduced him to the game five years ago. "Now I'm completely hooked," he says.
Gill is seeing more young players enter the sport because they're tired of the politics, time commitment, expense and peer pressure of team sports. With disc golf, "they go out when they want. And they don't have to be at practice from 3 to 6 o'clock after school every day."
From his perch on the back of his truck, Gill announces threesome and foursomes. He and Beckman are paired with two skilled "up and coming" players from St. Cloud -- Hugh Fandeen, 22, and Mike Anderson, 26.
They make their way to fairways that are narrow and flanked by swaths of grassy roughs and the disc-swallowing pond. All 12 holes at the Bryant Lake course are par 3's, regardless of difficulty level. That's generally true in disc golf, although Gill and other designers are pushing for new courses to have pars that reflect a hole's true difficulty.
The green is actually a circle of new mulch around a metal basket with chains dangling from an overhead metal plate. That's the goal -- the "Pole Hole" -- which has been described as looking like a cross between an antique TV antenna and a broken umbrella.
The mulch smells great on a hot day. The overlook views are stunning. And the foursome is so laid-back that play feels more like camaraderie than cutthroat competition. As in ball golf, there's a code of courtesy: Players stand quietly as opponents make their tosses and they help each other find discs stuck in tall weeds or wildflowers.
Gill says the sport requires grace, strength, a good eye and a deft touch -- not brute force. "You get your whole body into it, like a discus thrower. It takes a lot more power and energy than just flicking a wrist."
All that is evident as Gill takes his shot at that pesky hole No. 4 with its blind approach.
He starts at the back of the cement tee pad, which is 15 feet long and 5 feet wide. He steps left, then right, then crosses back with what is called an X-step and releases the disc with a powerful backhand arc. His movements are beautiful. He could be dancing.
Gill's favorite disc -- a beat-up, 10-year-old white Discraft "Magnet" -- sails high and straight, banking right around the trees as if it were turning the corner at a green light.
"Nice pull!" Beckman exclaims. "I don't even have that shot. And most players don't."
Gill's disc lands 7 feet from the Pole Hole. One more throw and he will put it in. Just the way he planned it.
holy crap...490 feet with a putter...damn...
I have a mini signed by Steady Eddie before he died and had his ashes put into a collector series disc.
holy crap...490 feet with a putter...damn...
My thoughts exactly!
"Nice pull!"
HAHA - We heard that sooo many times during the Winter Carnival tournaments that we use it as a joke now. So if you hear us say "Nice pull - this is for money", it's because of all the wannabee linguists out there. You know the kind, they take a day and a half to line up their shot only to slam it into the ground 15 feet in front of them. :chagrin:
player rankings....
...I'm 95% sure I threw the disc so hard I bruised my forearm without hitting anything...just a matter of torque.
I haven't done that since I was 13 :sheepish:
I flipped the disc upside down and threw it sidearm....I threw 3 of them this way...all three wound up less than 5 feet apart from each other....
each one flew up sidedown...flipped upright...and then rolled down the field..and stopped when it lost its momentumn....I could only throw it this way about 150 feet...
I'm not exactly sure when I would use it...but I'm sure I will at some point since it was consitant
kinda cool...I honestly thought I'd never use itand would have no control (plus make me look like an idiot)...but I wanted to see the flight pattern...
oh...and I bought a used disc today...bought a Discraft Clyclone with a custom stamp on it...ugly green...not 2 beat up for $5 bucks...
It sounds like he is working with an investor and in the process of acquiring a piece of land that he would be able to put in 27 holes....
He wants to try to make it so 1,10, and 19 all start from the proshop. He wants to make this a pay course and use a cash box....it sounds like it would be a short drive from the cities...I wish I knew which way....but I'm thinkin' Wisconsin.....
really cool part....I suggest he tries to make it a night course and he ate it up!!!
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/sm-aerobie-epic-driver-golf-disc--pi-1736683.html
I saw a guy toss one and it went...and went and went...and then went some more...
he could hammer throw it to flip all the way over to right side up again....
its going to be a reddish/orange "z-putter" 174 grams with the same logo that I've got on my current avatar...will say KITCH on the top...and COOLER CREW on the bottom.
He didn't have any blue ones...
:frown:
$20....wow... I paid $4 for shipping...
I told him that one of you might be interested in a disc...If you wanted to order one he would ship it with mine for no additional cost for 1 more disc.
...when he said he was a Viking Fan...so check out this....
I feel like I'm stealing....
I'm pretty sure we'll be getting pops' discs from there.
I just called him and asked him what he can do...
and then "dye-namics" you need to click on the disc in the middle
and emailing. I ordered 75 packages. First come first serve. Last year
we had 70+. $20 gets you two proto type discs (that are very unique and
crazy from what I hear) a hat, supercolor ultrstar mini, and 36 shots
at the Grand Prize. This is a very fun and unique event. All the holes
are shotened to 200ft or less. Other side games as well. We will have a
long distance contest with the new disc. It's a driver this year, bombs
away!!!
I just got this email.....from TIMMY GILL ---hmmm...might need to stop by and at least get have a looky