I do have to say that Whitney (age 12) on her own, got the newspaper from the front steps a couple days ago. Read the clue and then googled some stuff....she found AW's website. cute.
its tough this year - with Matty B's closed we are all split up :frown:
note: thought the drink prices and atmosphere at Kellys isn't bad....I did NOT like that they said they close at 2 and then kick us out 15 min before. we were all good customers. shoulda been no problems with us.
Art Vandalay and Myself kept hacking away at the bluff after a lot of people left - by 7:00 there was probably less than 15 people left. Enjoyed some Lasagna at Yarusso's. Now I'm ready for a BIG nap!
FYI: Anyone who wants to dig on top of that small bluff just west of the "Open Oak" - keep in mind those hard-packed snow trails were NOT there when the hunt started - in other words, no one has dug UNDER them yet. That stuff is probably garden spade snow now - you might break a hoe! It's clump-bustin' time!
I'm in favor of Kelly's, but I'm a bit bias. Probably just going to stay in again tonight. I'm just drained right now from this cold. Being out in the cold, socializing, and drinking probably isn't the best for my health, or yours.
Then again if your all deathly ill in a couple days and I'm over this.... See you at the bar!
No time to noodle right now, but building foundations can be found on Sanborn Maps. Those were created for insurance companies in case a building burned down. I bet SPPL has Sanborn maps for the houses in Swede Hollow, at least up top. The historic marker up top is for the Hamm mansion, right? Anything in Lost Twin Cities on the Hamm mansion? I don't have that handy.
I promised to keep the other forum private to the member who shared it with me. Looks like we got the info in another way today anyway.
That's from The Street Where You Live written by Donald Empson with the forward written by Boxmeyer. Boxmeyer wrote the forward for the updated version.
"Who knew that Payne Avenue was named after Rice W. Payne, whose property was confiscated after he fought in the Civil War as a Confederate major? Or that Lexington Parkway was named after the first battle of the Revolutionary War because the developer’s wife felt the neighboring streets sounded too British? With more than one thousand entries and over one hundred photographs, The Street Where You Live is the most complete inventory of public spaces in St. Paul in existence. At long last this new edition—the first update since 1975—has been revised and expanded to include neighborhoods, parks, lakes, streams, islands, bridges, cemeteries, caves, and other landmarks, as well as streets and avenues. Learn the perfect trivial tidbit for cocktail parties, find destinations for Sunday drives, and get to know the city from pavement to park—in The Street Where You Live, St. Paul’s secrets are revealed. Donald L. Empson is a local historian based in Stillwater, Minnesota. Don Boxmeyer wrote for the St. Paul Dispatch and St. Paul Pioneer Press for more than three and a half decades. He is the author of A Knack for Knowing Things: Stories from St. Paul Neighborhoods and Beyond."
I went out for a couple of hours tonight. Drove around two sides of SH and it's pretty quiet over there tonight. Saw a couple of flashlights in the gully but not many cars in the parking lot.
Saw the ice carvings at night. Saw them during the day yestday, but prettier at night. And there was actually parking available on the street tonight, unlike yesterday.
Don't know if someone posted this before or this is a well DUHHH!
I know we thought King was Burger King but I don't know if we ever clearly came to a conclusion on the Court:
'Neath King and Court
-I found it odd the Be was missing ....if you add B to King you get Burger King if you add the B to Court it could stand for the Bocce Ball Court at Yarusso's.
I never even thought of using Sanborn maps. Since I'm a student at the U I have full access to all their Sanbron maps. The earliest I could find with all of Swede on it is 1903. Now hopefully my image isn't too big
Also courtesy of the U, here's the an image from the first set of ariels taken of St Paul in 1923. I don't think you have to have U of M access to view these so the link should work. Obviously this is the image of the area around Swede Hollow.
I could make it bigger, but it'd take forever and be a huge file. If you can access it on the U website you can zoom way in and it's quite high resolution. Also I think the map library itself is open to the public, you just have to be a U student to check things out or access some stuff on the website.
As for some of the fine details of the map...
Each house is numbered 1-111 with some numberd 2 1/2 and 2 1/4.
The area is listed as the "Water Power Reservation" (presumably for the brewery)
There's a note that says "This settlement which is located in a ravine is known as "Swene Hollow" all buildings are cheaply constructed board shanties.
If you search for Sanborn Maps Minnesota in google one of the top links will be to something like www.lib.umn.edu... That's to their online Sanborn map library. You have to have a valid U of M username and password (aka be a student or faculty) to view them though.
as much as I enjoy the run at the end ... I want a better fair shot at it.
or wild times, if you dont feel like walking...
its tough this year - with Matty B's closed we are all split up :frown:
note: thought the drink prices and atmosphere at Kellys isn't bad....I did NOT like that they said they close at 2 and then kick us out 15 min before. we were all good customers. shoulda been no problems with us.
FYI: Anyone who wants to dig on top of that small bluff just west of the "Open Oak" - keep in mind those hard-packed snow trails were NOT there when the hunt started - in other words, no one has dug UNDER them yet. That stuff is probably garden spade snow now - you might break a hoe! It's clump-bustin' time!
I've been to both depending on hours and how late we get down there.
personally, I'm at home right now and haven't ventured out.
Then again if your all deathly ill in a couple days and I'm over this.... See you at the bar!
I promised to keep the other forum private to the member who shared it with me. Looks like we got the info in another way today anyway.
"Who knew that Payne Avenue was named after Rice W. Payne, whose property was confiscated after he fought in the Civil War as a Confederate major? Or that Lexington Parkway was named after the first battle of the Revolutionary War because the developer’s wife felt the neighboring streets sounded too British? With more than one thousand entries and over one hundred photographs, The Street Where You Live is the most complete inventory of public spaces in St. Paul in existence. At long last this new edition—the first update since 1975—has been revised and expanded to include neighborhoods, parks, lakes, streams, islands, bridges, cemeteries, caves, and other landmarks, as well as streets and avenues. Learn the perfect trivial tidbit for cocktail parties, find destinations for Sunday drives, and get to know the city from pavement to park—in The Street Where You Live, St. Paul’s secrets are revealed. Donald L. Empson is a local historian based in Stillwater, Minnesota. Don Boxmeyer wrote for the St. Paul Dispatch and St. Paul Pioneer Press for more than three and a half decades. He is the author of A Knack for Knowing Things: Stories from St. Paul Neighborhoods and Beyond."
Saw the ice carvings at night. Saw them during the day yestday, but prettier at night. And there was actually parking available on the street tonight, unlike yesterday.
OT, fairgrounds. I think
I've really enjoyed being downtown the past couple of days. Amazing to actually see activity there on a weekend and after dark.
I know we thought King was Burger King but I don't know if we ever clearly came to a conclusion on the Court:
'Neath King and Court
-I found it odd the Be was missing ....if you add B to King you get Burger King if you add the B to Court it could stand for the Bocce Ball Court at Yarusso's.
 Haven't been there yet but plan to go...
Now I can sleep....... I'v googled so many gangsters you could call me a moll. :ooh: :litesmile: :eek: :grin: :sillygrin:
- some thought bocce ball court
however, you catching the "B" is awesome!
I used to have access through RCHS :frown:
I'm pretty confident this will be found tomorrow.
Also courtesy of the U, here's the an image from the first set of ariels taken of St Paul in 1923. I don't think you have to have U of M access to view these so the link should work. Obviously this is the image of the area around Swede Hollow.
As for some of the fine details of the map...
Each house is numbered 1-111 with some numberd 2 1/2 and 2 1/4.
The area is listed as the "Water Power Reservation" (presumably for the brewery)
There's a note that says "This settlement which is located in a ravine is known as "Swene Hollow" all buildings are cheaply constructed board shanties.
And yes they typoed it Swene Hollow.
And what are you looking for, a house foundation type thing?
hey, wait a minu....
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