Next two weeks up to Labor day are kind of a love/hate time of year.
I like the State Fair, poking fun at all the kids that have to go back to school, and a nice long weekend for Labor day. I hate the fact that it's also the busiest two weeks of the year at work. It's good for business, but stinks due to tons of junk messed up, tons of orders to process, and getting yelled at by customers AND co-workers...
If stress was a the top of the food pyramid, I'd be getting 150% of my daily reccomended allowance.
Getting a lecture from a VP about "accuracy" when infact the person who made the error was his golden egg.
and I had the pleasure(?) of pointing this fact out. I'm sure tho it will be a red mark on my review for the next 20 years, cause some how I should have been clairvoyant and prevented the golden egg from making the mistake.
- chicks who let their guys run their lives for them, and then run to me to complain about it, and about how they're too afraid to leave them...
just like they've been doing for the past 5 years or so...
I've been telling both of them exactly what I think, which seems to be exactly what everyone else they talk to thinks.... that their guys are pieces of crap, and treat them even worse
tired of "being there" for people, and made to feel like crap all the time, and not knowing how to say "screw it" and not be there...
- friends who get a big ego, and try to act "big time", simply because they found a good deal, one or two times - and then make a ton of bad decisions based on bad information, and end up getting other friends locked up or in a couple of cases, involved in even worse situations...
The ugliest van in the world being parked in front of our house for 3 days.
OT... have you ever seen this van on our street before? I know we haven't.
I don't want to be like the old guy across the street and obsess over who is parked in front of our house but I'm thinking it might be abandoned. It hasn't moved an inch and they left the windows down during the rain on Tues. I'm debating on how long we should wait before we call. A week?
Nope, don't recognize the van. I think the ordinance says you can't park longer than 24 hours in one spot, but it's not enforced unless someone complains. Then they tag it and give it another day before they tow it. I'm surprised said crabby old guy hasn't done that already.
But speaking of ugly vehicles, here's a car my friends and I kept seeing in Oregon a couple of weeks ago that I finally was able to get a picture of as it drove by. Pure luck that I got any shot at all since my camera was on the floor when we saw it approaching. I grabbed the camera off the floor, opened it, pointed it out the window and got almost all of it.
I don't think the car ever went farther than the little hippy, artsy town we were staying at. We'd see it parked in town or driving up the street almost every day.
Here's an example of what the town was like. And another of this guy I met.
chicks who let their guys run their lives for them, and then run to me to complain about it, and about how they're too afraid to leave them... just like they've been doing for the past 5 years or so...
People like that are psychic vampires. They feed off of the positive emotions you use to support them, giving little back in return. Afterwards, they feel so much better, while you feel drained.
They then go back to the relationship they really want, no matter how bad you think it is for them. Why? They're masochists. Releasing all this energy they've soaked up from you just feels so good...
we have several of those here in my town OT. one is totally covered in shells, another in marbles, another in green army men thingys. I'll try to get some shots next time one drives up next to me. I think they are awesome
Tates? why oh why would you want to move away from OT?!!! :angry: :frown:
Nick, I can see her wanting reassurance that she's not crazy and what she's in with this guy IS really a bad thing ....and she probably doesn't want to look like the "bad one" when the relationship is finally over.
Maybe she hopes things will someday change or get better. Most women (and men) think that they can change the other person and if they try hard enough than someday they will be happy. What ends up happening is she will get tired of trying and eventually conform to what he wants in life and she will eventually be un-happy... and chances are she will stay with him a really long time in the process because most people just don't know how to leave relationships (most are painful, never easy).
When it does "end", she probably never wants to feel like she didn't try hard enough. Failure is a strong depressing feeling especially from a relationship :frown:
Be a friend and listen to her without giving advice or very little. Men ALWAYS think they need to solve or 'fix' the problem when a woman comes to them in confidance...women don't want men to solve their problems --just hang out and nod your head and LISTEN.... :eek: :wink: :cool:
fyi: there are small cases where women want a man to stand up for them and save them and solve a problem but it's obvious this ain't one of those times
Men ALWAYS think they need to solve or 'fix' the problem when a woman comes to them in confidance...women don't want men to solve their problems --just hang out and nod your head and LISTEN....
What ends up happening is she will get tired of trying and eventually conform to what he wants in life and she will eventually be un-happy... and chances are she will stay with him a really long time in the process because most people just don't know how to leave relationships
Thats exactly what goes on with her... and i've been watching the same thing happen over and over since we were in highschool...
I dunno about the thing where most people dont know how to leave though.... seems like thats all thats ever happened to me....
fyi: there are small cases where women want a man to stand up for them and save them and solve a problem but it's obvious this ain't one of those times
Actually thats about the only thing she does come to me for - advice, and answers about "guys"....and "what do I do?" type of stuff...
she's not the only one that does this either, sometimes....
I dont know why I attract that.... do I look like somebody thats experienced in that kinda crap?
thats mainly what I told her this last time too...that I have no idea what to do, and that all I can say is relationships suck.... she comes back with "what would you do if you were me?"...
my natural response was "leave him, you've been doing this for 4 years or so, and you seem to be the only one who doesnt see that its killing you"
seems like Ive dished that one out too many times.... but all you ever hear in response is "yeah... you're right"....
but surprise, surprise.... you're having the same conversation a month or 2 later.
I think they enjoy coming to me, because I actually listen to them.... and then tell them exactly what I think - rather than give a b.s. answer like "oh... dont worry, it'll all be okay"....
when they get enough of that, from other people they think "oh... Nick will tell me whats up, i'll go to him"
then when Nick has something similar to bitch about... or anything in general, really - who's there?
I think that attitude says a lot about marriage today. I don't mean to say the attitude is wrong or bad, just noting it. Years ago talk of divorce and remarriage was frowned upon. Now there's the expectation that people will get married so many times. I think years down the road when couples are celebrating their 50th anniversary, that will really really mean something.
I agree with you TMK - about the attitude and how monumental 50 years is.
Oddly I had an interesting convo with some friends the other night - we were saying that marraige should automatically come with a sort of modified pre-nump, and have people when they are all gooey eyed and in love sort out lots of the who's is what's right then before the bloom fades from the rose.
Anyone here read the book - the starter marraige? opened my eyes to a lot.
I think if you have people do that, it's like it's giving in even more to the mindset that marriage isn't going to work. To me it's like you're saying you have a strong feeling it's not going to work out.
no, I think it's more like - we are so commited to one another, that we are going to stay together for ever - so in the event that we are wrong - we are going to be fair and compasionate to one another, and split everything equally - it would be very friendly and if and when things do decide to go south - it would all be in black and white. Kinda like a will.
I would hope with most marriages that break up, it wouldn't be a problem. I think the marriages that it really matters will be bitter regardless, and lawyers would tear those apart any way they can. Plus you get kids involved and that can make parents really bad. I'd love for parents that are divorcing that they'd keep the kids in mind first and foremost, but unfortunately there are times where the kids are used in the divorce war that follows.
Here it is, the middle of our busiest time of year at work, and people are going home EARLY!!!!
give me a frickin break, the phones are ringing off the hook, and people are grabbing their stuff and walking out the door saying "See ya Monday!", while you can't even tell them to get back to their desks because you have a customer yelling at you demanding to get their order.
I swear if this company fails, I will take NONE of the blame as every day I've gone above and beyond to cover for LAZY coworkers who could give a crap less about taking care of problems.
hence the saying hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
My divorce actually ended pretty well (it was all the stuff I found out 2years AFTER the divorce that has caused a rift in our relationship i.e.Credit card fraud is a big no-no.)
ohh - i got an invite for one of those in October Kitchy...
curious - are you getting them a present? That's another point of irritation for me - (my) remarried friends go out and register all over the place etc.. it's like - oh lookie I've got a new man, and now I need a new blender!
I'd love for parents that are divorcing that they'd keep the kids in mind first and foremost,
Kids should be definately considered deeply, but if a relationship becomes miserable and depressing because one isn't being considerate and compassionate and cooperative which affects the children through the moods of the parent (s), than some couples need to not be together. You don't stay together miserably "for the kids"!
Marriage is NOT ALL about children--- it's is about the relationship between a husband and a wife
A FAMILY is about the children
I agree that marriage shouldn't be taken lightly - it takes some of the deepest and hardest decisions in a lifetime to maintain, BUT,in the end you need BOTH people to be receptive to ideas, flexability and change and eachother -
These couples who say they didn't get along with eachother for the last month or 2 and then seperate drive me crazy ---- "hey buddy!, come talk to me when you've put up with it for years!"
We only have this one lifetime and it goes quickly. Do you chose to stay with something so devastating or start over? Everyone is different.
that's great diggin! kudo's to you for it. It's a tough thing to do.
as ya'll know I've got my girls 'cult' funny thing - our membership stays about 45 women and it seems as many as get married a year, that many get divorced, so our ration stays about 50/50 - it's odd.
if I had more mentally free time, I might consider studying the trend ...
a marriage doesn't take as much work when you both are as INTO eachother as these two are! I see them out together and its really wonderful, they mesh together so well.
It's "work" when one decides that they don't want to do what the other wants anymore and it's not about eachother any longer but themselves. If it continues on and on and on and there's no "give" than it falls apart.
Back on that topic of "people used to stay together back in the day".... This depends on how far back you want to look. Hundreds of years ago men had more than one wife and getting 'divorced' was as easy as placing your wife outside the front door and stating out loud that you are now divorced...
20th Century was obviously different and it depends on what culture we are discussing.
Many families (mostly Catholic) managed to live thier life without divorce. And alot of it happened in the days when the wife stayed home. (hense many wives were stuck without $ to leave and became an outcast with friends and family). So lets seeeeee, in those days: stay miserable secretly and take drugs from my doctor OR leave and be ousted and try to find work with no experience besides motherhood.
In many cases I've read up on: the wife is depressed (sometimes in many cases they are given prescriptions from their doctors) --this stuff wasn't talked about as much back then JUST LIKE abortion was a forbidden topic!
.... divorce was really more common in the 40's & 50's than people think. The newspapers posted alot of local divorces, I've seen them first hand.
I didn't really mean it as the parents stay together for the kids. What I was getting at was the parents who let their negative feelings for their ex affect their relationship with their kids. Deadbeat dads not paying child support. Parents using the kids as leverage. Parents badmouthing the other parent to the kids. Using the kids as pawns. I'm all for what's in the best interest of the kids, whether that be working it out, or separating. I just don't like how kids can be used.
You get at some of the things that I think make marriage different nowadays as compared to yesteryear. Back then the women didn't have as many rights or as much power. They weren't the breadwinner, they had to stay at home and take care of the kids and the house. Now there are more dual career households than single income households. Marriage and family is being delayed because of schooling and career. We're a lot more open as a society, we're like voyeurs. It's harder to keep secrets because of all the gossip and media attention. I think also there's an aspect of instant gratification. We want fast food, we want instant winners, we don't want to read the book but see the movie, etc. In relationships I think that means we want the satisfaction more and quicker, and when it fades were more prone to move on quicker to something else that pleases us.
I think the marriage part has been easy enough, it's dealing with the family you married into that sucks.
In-laws.... do we have to have them? :eyeroll:
My husband's family is like "Everybody Loves Raymond". They all worship him and can't get enough time with him. I'm sure they see me as the witchy woman who lured him away from them.
After 4 years of living within a mile of ALL of them,(none have left SSP) I'm thrilled to be moving 30 miles away. :cool:
oh tates... I've been there. My old boyfriend and I were engaged, and it went as far as he lived in the house next to m&d and mommy worked for him.
needless to say, I called it off - I couldn't take it.
My X's family were 2k miles away, I even moved there for 8 months to help out when grandma got sick - I loved them. They were the best part of my marraige in a lot of ways.
:frown: :frown:
I like the State Fair, poking fun at all the kids that have to go back to school, and a nice long weekend for Labor day. I hate the fact that it's also the busiest two weeks of the year at work. It's good for business, but stinks due to tons of junk messed up, tons of orders to process, and getting yelled at by customers AND co-workers...
If stress was a the top of the food pyramid, I'd be getting 150% of my daily reccomended allowance.
:0) that usually makes them more mad - but does shut them up.
and I had the pleasure(?) of pointing this fact out. I'm sure tho it will be a red mark on my review for the next 20 years, cause some how I should have been clairvoyant and prevented the golden egg from making the mistake.
just like they've been doing for the past 5 years or so...
I've been telling both of them exactly what I think, which seems to be exactly what everyone else they talk to thinks.... that their guys are pieces of crap, and treat them even worse
tired of "being there" for people, and made to feel like crap all the time, and not knowing how to say "screw it" and not be there...
OT... have you ever seen this van on our street before? I know we haven't.
I don't want to be like the old guy across the street and obsess over who is parked in front of our house but I'm thinking it might be abandoned. It hasn't moved an inch and they left the windows down during the rain on Tues. I'm debating on how long we should wait before we call. A week?
But speaking of ugly vehicles, here's a car my friends and I kept seeing in Oregon a couple of weeks ago that I finally was able to get a picture of as it drove by. Pure luck that I got any shot at all since my camera was on the floor when we saw it approaching. I grabbed the camera off the floor, opened it, pointed it out the window and got almost all of it.
What's one person junk is another person's art.
Here's an example of what the town was like. And another of this guy I met.
 :cool:
People like that are psychic vampires. They feed off of the positive emotions you use to support them, giving little back in return. Afterwards, they feel so much better, while you feel drained.
They then go back to the relationship they really want, no matter how bad you think it is for them. Why? They're masochists. Releasing all this energy they've soaked up from you just feels so good...
Tates? why oh why would you want to move away from OT?!!! :angry: :frown:
Nick, I can see her wanting reassurance that she's not crazy and what she's in with this guy IS really a bad thing ....and she probably doesn't want to look like the "bad one" when the relationship is finally over.
Maybe she hopes things will someday change or get better. Most women (and men) think that they can change the other person and if they try hard enough than someday they will be happy. What ends up happening is she will get tired of trying and eventually conform to what he wants in life and she will eventually be un-happy... and chances are she will stay with him a really long time in the process because most people just don't know how to leave relationships (most are painful, never easy).
When it does "end", she probably never wants to feel like she didn't try hard enough. Failure is a strong depressing feeling especially from a relationship :frown:
Be a friend and listen to her without giving advice or very little. Men ALWAYS think they need to solve or 'fix' the problem when a woman comes to them in confidance...women don't want men to solve their problems --just hang out and nod your head and LISTEN.... :eek: :wink: :cool:
fyi: there are small cases where women want a man to stand up for them and save them and solve a problem but it's obvious this ain't one of those times
This is very true. Good advise me2
Thats exactly what goes on with her... and i've been watching the same thing happen over and over since we were in highschool...
I dunno about the thing where most people dont know how to leave though.... seems like thats all thats ever happened to me....
fyi: there are small cases where women want a man to stand up for them and save them and solve a problem but it's obvious this ain't one of those times
Actually thats about the only thing she does come to me for - advice, and answers about "guys"....and "what do I do?" type of stuff...
she's not the only one that does this either, sometimes....
I dont know why I attract that.... do I look like somebody thats experienced in that kinda crap?
thats mainly what I told her this last time too...that I have no idea what to do, and that all I can say is relationships suck.... she comes back with "what would you do if you were me?"...
my natural response was "leave him, you've been doing this for 4 years or so, and you seem to be the only one who doesnt see that its killing you"
seems like Ive dished that one out too many times.... but all you ever hear in response is "yeah... you're right"....
but surprise, surprise.... you're having the same conversation a month or 2 later.
I think they enjoy coming to me, because I actually listen to them.... and then tell them exactly what I think - rather than give a b.s. answer like "oh... dont worry, it'll all be okay"....
when they get enough of that, from other people they think "oh... Nick will tell me whats up, i'll go to him"
then when Nick has something similar to bitch about... or anything in general, really - who's there?
life sucks...
and love sucks even more...
when I could watch sports on tv and play online poker at the same time...
And don't forget to include a card that says they'll get their gift if they make it a whole year. :smile:
actually I think almost all but 2 of the weddings I've been to in the past 3 years have been 2nd or 3rd (one was a 4th) wedding.
Oddly I had an interesting convo with some friends the other night - we were saying that marraige should automatically come with a sort of modified pre-nump, and have people when they are all gooey eyed and in love sort out lots of the who's is what's right then before the bloom fades from the rose.
Anyone here read the book - the starter marraige? opened my eyes to a lot.
Joe
give me a frickin break, the phones are ringing off the hook, and people are grabbing their stuff and walking out the door saying "See ya Monday!", while you can't even tell them to get back to their desks because you have a customer yelling at you demanding to get their order.
I swear if this company fails, I will take NONE of the blame as every day I've gone above and beyond to cover for LAZY coworkers who could give a crap less about taking care of problems.
its the 3rd for one
2nd for the other..
My divorce actually ended pretty well (it was all the stuff I found out 2years AFTER the divorce that has caused a rift in our relationship i.e.Credit card fraud is a big no-no.)
curious - are you getting them a present? That's another point of irritation for me - (my) remarried friends go out and register all over the place etc.. it's like - oh lookie I've got a new man, and now I need a new blender!
Kids should be definately considered deeply, but if a relationship becomes miserable and depressing because one isn't being considerate and compassionate and cooperative which affects the children through the moods of the parent (s), than some couples need to not be together. You don't stay together miserably "for the kids"!
Marriage is NOT ALL about children--- it's is about the relationship between a husband and a wife
A FAMILY is about the children
I agree that marriage shouldn't be taken lightly - it takes some of the deepest and hardest decisions in a lifetime to maintain, BUT,in the end you need BOTH people to be receptive to ideas, flexability and change and eachother -
These couples who say they didn't get along with eachother for the last month or 2 and then seperate drive me crazy ---- "hey buddy!, come talk to me when you've put up with it for years!"
We only have this one lifetime and it goes quickly. Do you chose to stay with something so devastating or start over? Everyone is different.
WOW that's a long time & I am frickn' old :ooh:
as ya'll know I've got my girls 'cult' funny thing - our membership stays about 45 women and it seems as many as get married a year, that many get divorced, so our ration stays about 50/50 - it's odd.
if I had more mentally free time, I might consider studying the trend ...
a marriage doesn't take as much work when you both are as INTO eachother as these two are! I see them out together and its really wonderful, they mesh together so well.
It's "work" when one decides that they don't want to do what the other wants anymore and it's not about eachother any longer but themselves. If it continues on and on and on and there's no "give" than it falls apart.
Back on that topic of "people used to stay together back in the day".... This depends on how far back you want to look. Hundreds of years ago men had more than one wife and getting 'divorced' was as easy as placing your wife outside the front door and stating out loud that you are now divorced...
20th Century was obviously different and it depends on what culture we are discussing.
Many families (mostly Catholic) managed to live thier life without divorce. And alot of it happened in the days when the wife stayed home. (hense many wives were stuck without $ to leave and became an outcast with friends and family). So lets seeeeee, in those days: stay miserable secretly and take drugs from my doctor OR leave and be ousted and try to find work with no experience besides motherhood.
In many cases I've read up on: the wife is depressed (sometimes in many cases they are given prescriptions from their doctors) --this stuff wasn't talked about as much back then JUST LIKE abortion was a forbidden topic!
.... divorce was really more common in the 40's & 50's than people think. The newspapers posted alot of local divorces, I've seen them first hand.
seriously - it's not a life fix. it's not a status point necessary in advancing your career ... etc.
In-laws.... do we have to have them? :eyeroll:
My husband's family is like "Everybody Loves Raymond". They all worship him and can't get enough time with him. I'm sure they see me as the witchy woman who lured him away from them.
After 4 years of living within a mile of ALL of them,(none have left SSP) I'm thrilled to be moving 30 miles away. :cool:
needless to say, I called it off - I couldn't take it.
My X's family were 2k miles away, I even moved there for 8 months to help out when grandma got sick - I loved them. They were the best part of my marraige in a lot of ways.
Sorry man......
I know for a fact.......and I know what he looks like....
I was able to confirm it these year when I was at the paper and the press conference...
something just doesn't seem right about that...
Pagination