For anybody who has Comcast, my wife and I recently found the actual Lost Twin Cities documentary On Demand which has a feature story on Swede Hollow that was very interesting, really expands on what that article has... go to Get Local and then it's in the PBS TPT section.
Hey, Comcast really is good for somethin after all!
I find it odd that the usual mentioning it is in St Paul proper or that isnt' in St Paul proper, and in a regional park, hasn't been written yet. The CW states that in the first clue or two.
brasscat, I love your cat pic/avatar...every time I see it I think of my (deceased) cat, Callie....she looked just like that and would also open her mouth in the same manner (after she smelled something interesting) :smile:
I just tore my bedroom apart looking for one of Larry Millet's Sherlock Holmes mysteries that I kind of remember him giving credit to Don Boxmeyer in the introduction. I must have loaned it to someone. One of the mysteries was Sherlock Holmes and the Ice Palace Murders. I'll have to check the library tomorrow. Amazon isn't any help.
"Jonathan Upton, scion of one of the city's richest families, has vanished on the eve of his wedding, which was to have taken place in the immense glittering ice palace being built for the annual Winter Carnival. Brought in to investigate the disappearance by James J. Hill, St. Paul's most powerful man and a close friend of young Upton's father, Holmes and Watson soon make a horrific discovery that uncovers a flurry of clues, all distractingly opaque. Why did Upton's fiancee give back her bridal dress? What dark secrets lurk behind the comfortable facade of the Muskrat Club, where the young swells of St. Paul gather to drink and gamble? Who is the brilliant "Spider" at the center of the affair? And does the ice palace itself hold the key to the ghastly secret within its gleaming walls?"--BOOK JACKET Sherlock Holmes and the Ice Palace.
The clue does kinda fit Sweede Hollow fairly well, except the part about much of the history being a mystery. Lost Twin Cities, Boxmeyers book, you can find out more details than you'd ever want to know about that place, so what would the mystery history be?
Lake Phalen was named after an early Irish settler of Saint Paul, Edward Phelan. Phelan built a cabin near Phalen Creek in Swede Hollow. Phalen Creek travels from Lake Phalen and drains into the Mississippi River just north of Lambert's Landing. The lake that was drained by the creek became known as Phalen's Lake despite Phelan never living near its shores.[14][15] The Saint Paul Water Company set up a supply plant at Lake Phalen in 1869 and the lake was used as Saint Paul's primary source of water until 1913.[16] John Fletcher Williams, a local historian, wrote in 1876 "It is a disgrace, that the name of this brutal murderer has been affixed to one of our most beautiful lakes - one that supplies our households with water."[17][18] Phalen had been accused of murdering his partner, John Hays in 1839, however another man later confessed to Hays' murder.[19]
That could be the "mystery" perhaps? Also, the Sherlock Holmes book has a murder mystery in it: a severed head of a groom is found in a chunk of ice:
It's the Winter Carnival grounds that become the focus of Sherlock's attention, after he's invited by magnate Hill to solve the peculiar disappearance of Jonathan Upton, the 25-year-old scion of a wealthy St. Paul businessman, who'd been scheduled to wed a stunning heiress inside the Carnival's huge-domed and multi-turreted Ice Palace. Watson suggests that there may be no mystery here at all ("Perhaps that young fellow Upton has simply decided that he's not quite ready for connubial bliss"). But when Upton's severed head is found frozen in a block of ice at the palace, with his men's club pin positioned suggestively beside it, doubts of a crime's existence give way to investigative deductions. Who would have committed such a foul deed, and to what end?
Not to mean anything but in case it comes up later...
Boxmeyer Bay - This name appears in Pigs Eye Lake only on official city maps created by Rudy Paczkowski, a whimsical cartographer in the public works dept. The bay is just north of Rudy's Donut Plantation, which is a nearby samp. The appelation honors Don Boxmeyer, a fervent fisherman and one of a handful of writers who have written with great fondness about St Paul and it's people. See also Millet Outlet --- 'The Street Where You Live'
Oddly enough my Mother in law told me years ago that my kids Great Great Grandfather is the one that lead all the people into the water so they would survive the fire. Guess it's so.
She brought the kids up to the Hinkley museum to see the history.
"While at the Pioneer Press, Millett and fellow reporter Don Boxmeyer also served for several years as clue writers for the annual Winter Carnival medallion hunt. "
So the Sherlock Holmes/Ice Palace author and Don Boxmeyer wrote clues together!
But just for sake of "other thoughts"
Tramping hill and dell, I thought the saying was hill and dale
so is the CW saying Tramping as running around he hilly parks and the dell is the computer
Cuz we do tramping all over the computer.
Just an idea
Hey, Comcast really is good for somethin after all!
noun
a small wooded hollow
noun
an open river valley (in a hilly area)
On another note...
The political contest McCain and Obama ...it is now past tense
One of the guys name in the book is Mr. Hill
They're pretty good reads regardless. Lots of old St. Paul references.
no one knows for sure
I was looking at the area where it was found last year for 2 days (ask 3M) saying "nah, too dangerous"
I don't use that as a reason not to look somewhere anymore...
the book was written
and since has been brought into the fore.
I am not advocating that theory, just presenting it as plausible
It's the Winter Carnival grounds that become the focus of Sherlock's attention, after he's invited by magnate Hill to solve the peculiar disappearance of Jonathan Upton, the 25-year-old scion of a wealthy St. Paul businessman, who'd been scheduled to wed a stunning heiress inside the Carnival's huge-domed and multi-turreted Ice Palace. Watson suggests that there may be no mystery here at all ("Perhaps that young fellow Upton has simply decided that he's not quite ready for connubial bliss"). But when Upton's severed head is found frozen in a block of ice at the palace, with his men's club pin positioned suggestively beside it, doubts of a crime's existence give way to investigative deductions. Who would have committed such a foul deed, and to what end?
More on this book at:
http://www.januarymagazine.com/crfiction/sherreviews.html
Maybe this is telling us how we will find the medallion. Frozen, in a decapitated head.
:cool:
Boxmeyer Bay - This name appears in Pigs Eye Lake only on official city maps created by Rudy Paczkowski, a whimsical cartographer in the public works dept. The bay is just north of Rudy's Donut Plantation, which is a nearby samp. The appelation honors Don Boxmeyer, a fervent fisherman and one of a handful of writers who have written with great fondness about St Paul and it's people. See also Millet Outlet --- 'The Street Where You Live'
She brought the kids up to the Hinkley museum to see the history.
So the Sherlock Holmes/Ice Palace author and Don Boxmeyer wrote clues together!
and SCD's for the rest of you - I am off to neverland. And not the ranch MJ owns...
That's why I included the "see also" portion.
http://www.cva.edu/news_events/news_LMillett.htm
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Coffee's on, so I can really go to bed now :smile:
Thanks Zeph
I have to go to work today <sigh> -- maybe we'll go scope some things out this afternoon.