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2009 - Swede Hollow

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tim_the_hunter

This sounds legit.

Very cool.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:54 AM Permalink
Brassmonkey

Looks legit to me, only one post as well.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:55 AM Permalink
queenmalley

My dad was in the air force.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:55 AM Permalink
OT

Invite him over! Maybe we can encourage him to join the CC. :cool:
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:57 AM Permalink
queenmalley

Clarence ("Cap") Wigington (1883-1967) was the first African-American registered architect to practice for any substantial length of time in Minnesota. He may have been the first black municipal architect as well, having practiced in the City Architect's office of St. Paul (MN) for nearly three decades, from the late 1920s to the 1940s. He is responsible for some of the landmark structures in the city, including the Highland Park Water Tower (1928), the Harriet Island Pavilion (1941; now the Clarence W. Wigington Pavilion) and the Holman Field Administration Building (1939) for the St. Paul Municipal Airport. His papers include plans for these and over 100 other commissions.

Well, something to keep in mind for future clues. We have the first ever African American President..(DeVote)
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:59 AM Permalink
queenmalley

Mattocks School, Located in the court yard of Highland Park High School just off of Snelling Avenue. Built in 1871 it orginally stood at Randolph Avenue and Snelling Avenue. It served as a school from 1871 til 1929. It was then used for some thirty years as an American Legion Post. It was moved to its present site in 1964.

American Legion Post like OT mentioned.....
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:11 PM Permalink
tom

They still use this school house for classes.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:15 PM Permalink
Downtown Dave

it orginally stood at Randolph Avenue and Snelling Avenue



That's it. I'm off to Goby's.

Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:18 PM Permalink
queenmalley

"Located directly North of PlumÂ’s, GobyÂ’s is smaller bar with a more relaxing feel. While still catering to the bar crowd, GobyÂ’s has darts, pool, and arcade games located in the back room, a haven for the competitor in us all."

Ha Dave, perfect!
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:23 PM Permalink
becksie

Well, that could be a nice hangout spot if we end up at Highland :litesmile:
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:24 PM Permalink
zephyrus

I just had that book in my hands the other day! I almost bought it too... He has another similar, but not all about bad stuff...

Really cool looking book if you haven't seen it.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:26 PM Permalink
zephyrus

Marine song? Sheesh...


US Army Anthem



(The Caissons Go Rolling Along)

Words and Music by Major Edmund L. Gruber - 1907

Over hill, over dale

As we hit the dusty trail,

And the Caissons go rolling along.

In and out, hear them shout,

Counter march and right about,

And the Caissons go rolling along.





Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field artillery,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Caissons go rolling along.





In the storm, in the night,

Action left or action right

See those Caissons go rolling along





Limber front, limber rear,

Prepare to mount your cannoneer

And those Caissons go rolling along.





Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field artillery,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Caissons go rolling along.





Was it high, was it low,

Where the hell did that one go?

As those Caissons go rolling along

Was it left, was it right,

Now we won't get home tonight

And those Caissons go rolling along.





Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field artillery,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Caissons go rolling along.

That the Caissons go rolling along.

That the Caissons go rolling along.

Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:32 PM Permalink
Mad_Dach5und

OT - Bringing up Civil War songs?1? C'mon you're not THAT old! :wink:

I reserved a copy of Box's book at Borders - supposed to be in this week. I also saw a copy of Millet's "Lost Twin Cities" book. I thumbed through a bit, and it looks fascinating - I just don't have the heart to cough up $40 for a book I'll probably never read all the way through.

BTW - Anyone that believes Box's book will give an 'insiders' clue for the hunt is full of crap. They never required 'textbooks' for ANY hunt and this one should be no exception... I just want to read more of his columns that I ever got the chance to do when he was alive.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:40 PM Permalink
queenmalley

thanks, Zeph.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:46 PM Permalink
queenmalley

They never required 'textbooks' for ANY hunt

True, Mad Dach. It's my inner college child coming out. I am still on winter break from college; resume Jan 26. Plus I am in journalism so I research everything, in case you haven't noticed! I should just go out and dig. But where, where!?
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:48 PM Permalink
brasscat

I know Highland is the top pick

the CW knew that too

I can't help to think he's throwing us a red herring

and that devoting the hunt to box

is telling us it's in a box wrapped up in lots of tape

just like he did on his first hide.

Just my thoughts

Gotta stay open in thoughts
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:51 PM Permalink
brasscat

By the way does anyone know why the hunt started early this year?
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:52 PM Permalink
40below

Some really good stuff here to keep in mind for the coming clues. Nice work everybody!
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:54 PM Permalink
tim_the_hunter

I think it's just because the WC started early.

However, I don't know who chooses the WC dates or why sorry.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:58 PM Permalink
brasscat

thanks
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 12:59 PM Permalink
PilotsHatGuy

I understand and like the connection between the clues, Boxmeyer, and Millet. But I question how is that pointing us to a park? Is there a park that's a focal point in his murder mystery book?

On a side note I have both Millet's Lost Twin Cities, and Twin Cities Then and Now books. both are really cool if your into history. Especially the then and now one to see how much an intersection or street has changed over the years. Kinda depresses you too when you see how many beautiful buildings we got rid of in the name of "urban renewal."
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:05 PM Permalink
queenmalley

Yes, Pilots, I like history. I am taking a WWII class coming up next week. I took a Cleopatra course last year (My Fav class!).

I have an anthropology minor.

Millet's books are very interesting. It is good that someone like Millet and Boxmeyer keep the older parts of St Paul alive. I don't know if the next generation likes history all that much...
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:34 PM Permalink
leelabell

I was out and about so I drove over to the area next to the capitol that is the setting for the ice palace in the Sherlock Holmes book. It would have been at what is now a parking lot and Cass Glibert Memorial Park.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:35 PM Permalink
leelabell

Forget I just said that. I'm getting my old streets mixed up with the present streets.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:38 PM Permalink
brasscat

Brass monkey where are you? :eek:
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:42 PM Permalink
Wicked Nick

Cass Gilbert is where myself and Iceman hid our mock-hunt deal last year.....
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:49 PM Permalink
queenmalley

Tater, I checked your PP email addy on your profile. it says it is "hidden" so all is good.

I see you live in "Flaketown." Ha!
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:52 PM Permalink
leelabell

Yeah, but I'm off a block or so, so that isn't the correct location of the ice palace in the book.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:53 PM Permalink
queenmalley

I went to the Cass Gilbert designed National Indian Museum in New York City for a class. One of the most beautiful buildings I have ever seen.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 1:54 PM Permalink
wolfpac

BC seems way to obvious but still number 1 on my list.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:08 PM Permalink
queenmalley

The PP boards are also leaning that way, Wolf.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:26 PM Permalink
40below

I think Battle Creek is definitely in play, but right now there's about 5 parks I can say that about... it'd be nice to see an anagram somewhere in the next couple clues, haven't had a good one in a while
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:33 PM Permalink
Downtown Dave

Can I ask why BC?
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:40 PM Permalink
Terry

We went out scouting a bit. Didn't see anyone out who appeared to be hunting, but one family in my one park that I'm off base with.

In Highland, there was a couple of cross county skiers. Como only seemed to have people who were at the conservatory.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:42 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

Thanks for that link.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:44 PM Permalink
40below

I think right now it's just general connections with "contests waged of yore" and also the off-leash dog area on the Maplewood side... also Box was tied in somehow, I forget exactly what was said but I found it somewhat interesting.

yeah, nothing really solid though.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:46 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

so what would the mystery history be?

Treasure Hunt History
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:47 PM Permalink
wolfpac

Unleashed dog park, contest meaning battle, Hill and Dell being Hillsdale and Dellwood streets that run into BC Maplewood side or St. Paul side
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:47 PM Permalink
Downtown Dave

All possible, thanks guys
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:49 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

Your right on that. If we didn't think that, we might have been richer...
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:49 PM Permalink
40below

forgot about the streetname connections

Part of me just really thinks these first two clues aren't going to be that direct though.. we'll see
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:50 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

Exactly...thats the double meaning of the clue. The contest id the hunt itself.

Tramping hill=old way

and dell= computers=new way of hunting...

the contest is the hunt

and they're telling the hunt history (thats the mystery) in the paper..
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:56 PM Permalink
40below

So would you say there's nothing to be gained from the first two clues as far as pointing to an actual park?
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:57 PM Permalink
Terry

There is always something to be gained - but it may not lead you to the park exactly - or it could. Depends on the clue writer, the park, and the amount of snow cover.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 2:59 PM Permalink
tom

Is there any billboards of Dell computers up near a park? It would be a real creative way to pinpoint a landmark or realitive location.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 3:00 PM Permalink
mrmnmikey

I'm still sloggin, but I've been thinking that all day at work.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 3:02 PM Permalink
40below

Problem with that is billboards could change at any time, unless the city knows how long it'll be up... I don't think they'd use that though.

Maybe a computer store or something? just tossin out ideas
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 3:03 PM Permalink
PilotsHatGuy

I think clue 2 tells us the park. It's just so cryptic or obscure that no one has it figured out yet. It's obviously describing a place or event that points us to the park. My hang up is the history mystery. People have thrown out Sweede Hollow, BC, Como, etc, but there's really no mystery to their histories. This makes me think it's something more obscure.

Also I mentioned this on the PP boards; the Hillsdale and Dellwood streets lineing up the search area a BC I don't buy. I have a hard time believing they'd reused the park so quickly, let alone the park and the exact same clue from the last time it was in that park.
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 3:03 PM Permalink