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2009 - Swede Hollow

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40below

like peasants... living 'neath king and his court... immigrants
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:55 PM Permalink
40below

Thanks Tim!
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:55 PM Permalink
Terry

That's a pleasant surprise. Thanks Tim.

Still sounds like SH - at least on the surface.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:55 PM Permalink
GreenTeam

Woohoo, the clue!

Neith king and court--as in the rich people lived up on high ground?

Poodle--now it's a park and people walk dogs there?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:56 PM Permalink
40below

if ya wanna consider it rich people... Hamm's mansion, and they definitely lived 'neath it
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:57 PM Permalink
Terry

My Mom, who grew up on the east side, would take the street car and go past that area. Those people were looked down on and the kids, in school, were shunned.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:57 PM Permalink
40below

I was pretty positive this wouldn't narrow down a -spot-, and it looks like that's safe with this clue... still only clue 7
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:57 PM Permalink
OT

That punctuation last night means something. I think Clue #6 is the only one that has ended with a period.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:58 PM Permalink
40below

Anybody have any realistic way of connecting this to any other parks?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:59 PM Permalink
queenmalley

It's that Renaissance theme again
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:59 PM Permalink
40below

period... as in time period? could you connect it to a specific period of "mysterious history"?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 8:59 PM Permalink
GreenTeam

Gotta get some sleep. Nite all!
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:00 PM Permalink
OT

Jokers again. Jokers cavorted for the King and Queen sitting up on their thrones.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:00 PM Permalink
excavating stud

who lived beneath king and court? Who was below the king and court in feudal times? servants, peasants, ...
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:00 PM Permalink
excavating stud

Knights?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:01 PM Permalink
40below

Wouldn't that be somethin if this whole time SH really -was- a red herring? :pbpt: :goofy: :pbpt: :goofy:

interesting with the "jokers" though
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:02 PM Permalink
OT

"Walk his poodle" Walk the dog? Yoyo's?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:02 PM Permalink
queenmalley

I do agree that the poodle reference is about wealth/rich people, but how, how?!
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:02 PM Permalink
excavating stud

Nobles?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:04 PM Permalink
queenmalley

Yes, "jokers" joke on us perhaps?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:04 PM Permalink
'mom'

Sounds like SH all the way....I don't think we're supposed to name who was below the king and court, but rather consider the way the residents of Swede Hollow survived....even though the rest of the city was into the modern age of the time, they lived as though they were in the feudal times.

Unless you want to go back to Mounds....I suppose one could think of "Earl"....but I don't think that's what they're going for.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:05 PM Permalink
Terry

I would think at this point its at SH.

I can't help but wonder if its a red herring. We've been so fooled in the past few years.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:06 PM Permalink
'mom'

Stranger things have happened....the Harriet/Como hunt a few years ago comes to mind!
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:06 PM Permalink
OT

A joker is also referred to as a court jester.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:07 PM Permalink
excavating stud

The last line doesn't fit. I don't get it. But that's probably the point.

 :angry:
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:08 PM Permalink
OT

English royal court jesters

19th century engraving of Will Somers, Henry VIII's jester.

All royal courts in those days employed entertainers and most had professional fools. Entertainment included music, juggling, clowning, and the telling of riddles. Henry VIII of England employed a jester named Will Somers.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:08 PM Permalink
queenmalley

FEUDAL:

Main Entry: feu·dal

Pronunciation: \ˈfyü-dəl\

Function: adjective

Date: 1602

1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a medieval fee

2 : of, relating to, or suggestive of feudalism <feudal law>

— feu·dal·ly \-dəl-ē\ adverb
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:09 PM Permalink
Terry

I have used the same map for a number of years for the hunt. I remember when it was all so new. I've worked at keeping it in decent shape.

I realized tonight the thing has about had it.

:crying:
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:09 PM Permalink
wolfpac

Evildoers point about nobles on 7th st is good probably better than what the cluewriter wanted us to think
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:10 PM Permalink
Terry

I know all these jacks/jokers/jesters must mean something as it has been such a repeated theme lacing through these clues.

I wonder how that will be explained.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:12 PM Permalink
queenmalley

Feudal is a Midevil fee (I.E.: Tax). It is well-known in SH that the residents there were not taxed. Boxmeyer and other history sites about SH state this.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:12 PM Permalink
Mad_Dach5und

From Wikipedia:

The center of the feudal system in medieval Europe was the king, and a medieval king was, above everything else, a warrior. From the 9th to the 14th centuries—the heyday of feudalism—the most important element in making war was the armored and mounted knight. To maintain a retinue of knights was, however, very expensive. In return for providing the king with warriors, tenants-in-chief were granted large holdings of land. A grant of land was known as a feud or a fief, hence the term feudalism. The tenants-in-chief (commonly called barons in England) received their lands directly from the king and, in turn, leased parts of their estates to the knights, who in their turn gave leases to yeomen. This idealized description was subject to many variations.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:12 PM Permalink
tom

People think of Highland as a Rich Part of town.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:13 PM Permalink
Terry

They were the poorest of the poor. The houses were more like shacks. No plumbing. No modern amenities.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:13 PM Permalink
40below

"owner walk his poodle" = Swede Hollow Park

three letters left over - I O N

coincidence?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:13 PM Permalink
OT

In mythology, Puck was a joker (jester). Hockey puck.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:13 PM Permalink
Mad_Dach5und

Sorry people - McKnight Road just screams out from this clue for me - I'm still stuck on Battle Creek
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:17 PM Permalink
Terry

King and Court are capitalized.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:18 PM Permalink
40below

Care to post your full summary of why you think it's a Battle again? I think 90% are stuck at Swede
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:18 PM Permalink
tom

You know the history clue could be a street name to Century. Centruy is a term used in History.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:19 PM Permalink
tom

I can't picture it being Sweede.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:20 PM Permalink
excavating stud

I'm still try to figure out what thing or person beneath king and court has to do with a guy now having to walk his poodle? :sad:
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:21 PM Permalink
Terry

King St. runs into Cherokee.

Chippewa came up as a thought a couple nights ago.

Chippewa runs along side of Cherokee.

Could it be?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:22 PM Permalink
'mom'

Great minds Terry...I was just looking at the map of the Cherokee area.....there was the water st and CurtICE....haven't been pointed much in that direction otherwise though.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:24 PM Permalink
Inasuitcase

Okay, we were at the PP building tonight. My boyfriend won a "gift bag". What a joke! A nice long-sleeve mock turtleneck with a colorful snowflake on it. But, a silver plate commemorating the 1985 carnival. WTF? Sorry, but neither of us want it or even know what we'd do with it! Ah well, I guess it's the thought that counts, right?

Now, about tonight's clue...Medieval times? What park has to do with a king and his court? This is has me convinced it's not in my park or Swede Hollow. FRUSTRATION!!!
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:25 PM Permalink
wolfpac

In feudal times servants walked the dogs, the high bred aloof wouldn't
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:25 PM Permalink
OT

It seems to be a pattern for sure. Make everyone believe it's hidden at one park, only to have it end up somewhere else. I'm tired of that game though. Why even look until the later clues if that's the case?
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:25 PM Permalink
Terry

My interpretation of that is the immigrants who once lived in Swede Hollow were poor. Very poor. Shacks for homes.

Living beneath the king would be the peasants/paupers.

Now the area is cleaned up, and so someone now walking their dog through the park would be the change.

There certainly is history.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:26 PM Permalink
queenmalley

I do agree with green when she said there is a lack of playground/tots equipment at Swede.
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 9:26 PM Permalink