Named because of the beautiful Victorian terraced landscape with gardens, pools, and fountains that graced the grounds of 614 Fountain Street. The original building was a stylistic. The first remodeling added Classical detailing, the second introduced Craftsman motifs and dormers. The building has a magnificent outlook over Swede Hollow. The house supported one of the most elaborate residential landscapes in the city of Saint Paul.
William Hamm built this solid house for his new bride, Marie Scheffer, in the same year that the Hamm Brewery underwent a dramatic expansion. He hired Allen H. Stem, a St. Paul architect whose reputation as a designer exceeded Cass Gilbert's until the state capitol competition. Conceived in a neoclassical spirit, the house displays Stem's penchant for monumental exteriors with exquisitely crafted interiors. Verandas with fine balustrades once faced both streets.
6. Otto & Marie Hamm Muller House
    672 North Greenbrier Street
    Augustus F.Gauger, architect
    Queen Anne style
    1891
The Muller House was architect Augustus Gauger's largest residential commission on the bluff. The architect's fond-ness for rounded forms is displayed in the corner tower and its upper story windows, the tiny eyebrow windows that until recently graced the tower cap, and a oversized staircase window. Unfortunately, the stained glass that once filled these windows is now gone. Gauger's clients were, as usual, German immigrants, this time an on-again-off-again employee of Hamm's Brewery and his wife, a daughter of Theodore Hamm himself. For many years the house was heated by steam piped up the hill from the brewery. Most of its vigorously contoured exterior survives except for a spindlework porch, the victim of repeated insensitive remodelings.
Also found this tidbit - related to the Burger King discussion this morning with the last clue:
. Boyhood home of Chief Justice Warren
      Burger
      695 Conway Street
      Cottage
      1884
This Modest 1 1/2- story cottage was built in 1884 for the cost of $2,000. It served as the boyhood home of Warren Burger from 1914 to 1933. Plans to restore the home are in the works. Completion is expected in 1994.
wife here i also think its closer to midway - como matthew lopez baseball fugitive the whipping man at penumbra theatre can the whipping have something to do with a leash at the dog pound by como
two of the gangster's molls MARY Kinder and MARY Longnaker both sound like German last names. Maria is a variation of Mary.
Also one of them was named Pearl Elliot. Margaret St at the NE corner of SH was orinally called Pearl St. They changed it because Margaret comes from a Latin word meaning pearl.
We were down there after the clue. Not a lot of people there at night. Didn't know if there was some sort of epiphany that led everybody elsewhere or the cold just kept them away.
"Lilydale Regional Park is a park in the river flat area of the south central part of St Paul. It is the only Saint Paul park that extends into Dakota County. The area known as the “brickyard” is the only park of Lilydale Park where a special use permit is required for access. The remainder of the park is open for use by the public without a permit. Keep in mind, however, that Lilydale is still and undeveloped park and there are no facilities of any kind in the park."
LA Mommy and I stopped and read a historical sign in front of a house bordering SH (was it on 8th st LA?) and it was really interesting. Told the history of the house and said "For 67 years the house would create an almost medieval scene, standing like a baronial castle over Swede Hollow"
Feudal is pretty much synonymous with medieval...
I just think it's to coincidental that they are using all of these royal terms and that is right there on the sign.
some of my family lived down in swede hollow, they did a book for the family about the history of all of them, had to pull it out to see what I could find, there's not much there except that they lived there and a couple houses that they lived in around it.was really hoping to find more in there.
The Germans were, I think, like the wave - or the next one after that - of people that came into SW after the Italians. Or came with them, together, or something.
William Hamm built this solid house for his new bride, Marie Scheffer, in the same year that the Hamm Brewery underwent a dramatic expansion."
The first Queen of Snows in 1886 was Mrs. Albert Scheffer, wife of the Winter Carnival President. William Hamm Jr. was the first King Borealis Rex. The first Fire Coal King was Col. Delos A. Monfort.
I like that noodle I referenced. I'd been looking for a link to Mrs. Albert Scheffer, who had no given name at the time, poor thing. Scheffer Ave. is a couple of blocks away from the Charles Schultz Highland Ice Arena, but awfully close to the golf course so I discounted that.
Oh. Okay. Because the German doll was a moll, or whore. So I guess I lost the noodle where Maria would be chosen to be the doll, the girlfriend of the gangster. I don't get it.
Were the trains by SH people trains or goods (off of boats, etc.) trains? Over on the West Side Flats, where the Saint Paul Police shooed gangsters across the High Bridge, the Jews lived. I can't remember if the Germans moved in there, too. And there were breweries over there.
Saint Paul acquired the flats from West Saint Paul, pushing the county line out to Annapolis. The rich lived on the bluff and the only way down to the poor was by the Green Stairs that are still there today. At one time there was a street car hub down there that losers and winners took because the housing was up on the hill and even the rich had to go down to the stores.
I think the green stairs have been torn down. They climbed the bluff from Wabasha Street to the heights above (can't remember the street - could be Delos or Prospect Blvd. maybe) and they started just south of where the gangster cave tour place is - used to be the Cliff Restaurant many years ago - the place the sugar truck went through after its brakes failed (1960s). I'm old. I know these things. LOL.
You're so right about the Jews living on the West Side - that would have been around the Plato Blvd area west of Hwy 52, although 52 and the Lafayette Bridge were not there then - and oh gosh - the poverty there was unbelievable if you didn't see it yourself. When the area got flooded, they condemned it and built industrial stuff there.
"ease on into Swede Hollow"....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moll
Most of you know...but just in case.
Maria is pronounced Mah-rI-ah (long i) for the name of the street near the church.
Most people pronounce it more commonly as Ma-rE-A (long e)
Anybody think it points to something more than -just- the park, like an actual location within the park?
Like Swedish, Danish, French, Belgian, Italian.
Goodnight and SCDs!
 Daytons Bluff History link
Could this be the german doll? Doll house?
Linz-Bergmeier House
    "Fountain Place"
    614 North Fountain Place
    Queen Anne/Colonial Revival style
    1885, 1891, 1916
Named because of the beautiful Victorian terraced landscape with gardens, pools, and fountains that graced the grounds of 614 Fountain Street. The original building was a stylistic. The first remodeling added Classical detailing, the second introduced Craftsman motifs and dormers. The building has a magnificent outlook over Swede Hollow. The house supported one of the most elaborate residential landscapes in the city of Saint Paul.
I like the North (star) crossed noodle. That makes good sense.
William & Marie Hamm House
    668 North Greenbrier Street
    Reed & Stem, architects
    Neoclassical style
    1892
William Hamm built this solid house for his new bride, Marie Scheffer, in the same year that the Hamm Brewery underwent a dramatic expansion. He hired Allen H. Stem, a St. Paul architect whose reputation as a designer exceeded Cass Gilbert's until the state capitol competition. Conceived in a neoclassical spirit, the house displays Stem's penchant for monumental exteriors with exquisitely crafted interiors. Verandas with fine balustrades once faced both streets.
6. Otto & Marie Hamm Muller House
    672 North Greenbrier Street
    Augustus F.Gauger, architect
    Queen Anne style
    1891
The Muller House was architect Augustus Gauger's largest residential commission on the bluff. The architect's fond-ness for rounded forms is displayed in the corner tower and its upper story windows, the tiny eyebrow windows that until recently graced the tower cap, and a oversized staircase window. Unfortunately, the stained glass that once filled these windows is now gone. Gauger's clients were, as usual, German immigrants, this time an on-again-off-again employee of Hamm's Brewery and his wife, a daughter of Theodore Hamm himself. For many years the house was heated by steam piped up the hill from the brewery. Most of its vigorously contoured exterior survives except for a spindlework porch, the victim of repeated insensitive remodelings.
. Boyhood home of Chief Justice Warren
      Burger
      695 Conway Street
      Cottage
      1884
This Modest 1 1/2- story cottage was built in 1884 for the cost of $2,000. It served as the boyhood home of Warren Burger from 1914 to 1933. Plans to restore the home are in the works. Completion is expected in 1994.
Goodnight x 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berman_(mobster)
Also one of them was named Pearl Elliot. Margaret St at the NE corner of SH was orinally called Pearl St. They changed it because Margaret comes from a Latin word meaning pearl.
Land of Hope and Dreams by Bruce Springsteen
This train
Carries saints and sinners
This train
Carries losers and winners
This Train
Carries whores and gamblers
This Train
Carries lost souls
This Train
Dreams will not be thwarted
This Train
Faith will be rewarded
This Train
Hear the steel wheels singin'
This Train
Bells of freedom ringin'
This Train
Carries broken-hearted
This Train
Thieves and sweet souls departed
This Train
Carries fools and kings
This Train
All aboard
heading to Swede now...
its like 2:30...
anyone down there, or going to be?
I hate that place at night...
"Lilydale Regional Park is a park in the river flat area of the south central part of St Paul. It is the only Saint Paul park that extends into Dakota County. The area known as the “brickyard” is the only park of Lilydale Park where a special use permit is required for access. The remainder of the park is open for use by the public without a permit. Keep in mind, however, that Lilydale is still and undeveloped park and there are no facilities of any kind in the park."
When we drove thru there earlier I saw a couple of signs indicating WILDLIFE VIEWING AREA ...... beasts exposed?
I know Lilydale like the back of my hand...
parking would suck though...
the lot for the brickyards is dirt, and is blocked off in the winter....
Feudal is pretty much synonymous with medieval...
I just think it's to coincidental that they are using all of these royal terms and that is right there on the sign.
I found a piece in the Street Where You Live related to Maria Bates for whom Maria St. in Dayton's Bluff was named.
Page 21
BATES AVENUE Maria Bates Dayton, the daughter of Master Bates, was a native of Providence, Rhode Island, where she was born about 1811 . ...
LOL Terry!!!
From Terry's post #3567:
"William & Marie Hamm House
    668 North Greenbrier Street
    Reed & Stem, architects
    Neoclassical style
    1892
William Hamm built this solid house for his new bride, Marie Scheffer, in the same year that the Hamm Brewery underwent a dramatic expansion."
The first Queen of Snows in 1886 was Mrs. Albert Scheffer, wife of the Winter Carnival President. William Hamm Jr. was the first King Borealis Rex. The first Fire Coal King was Col. Delos A. Monfort.
Were the trains by SH people trains or goods (off of boats, etc.) trains? Over on the West Side Flats, where the Saint Paul Police shooed gangsters across the High Bridge, the Jews lived. I can't remember if the Germans moved in there, too. And there were breweries over there.
Saint Paul acquired the flats from West Saint Paul, pushing the county line out to Annapolis. The rich lived on the bluff and the only way down to the poor was by the Green Stairs that are still there today. At one time there was a street car hub down there that losers and winners took because the housing was up on the hill and even the rich had to go down to the stores.
I'll have to go find this.
"Violet Peifer, wife of Jack Peifer (organized Hamm kidnapping) and proprietors of the Hollyhocks Club Casino"
http://www.geomyidae.com/index.php?RollID=pxgangster&FrameID=gangster033
good site with lots of molls
didn't find anything in there that fit too well unfortunately.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
JOE!
You're so right about the Jews living on the West Side - that would have been around the Plato Blvd area west of Hwy 52, although 52 and the Lafayette Bridge were not there then - and oh gosh - the poverty there was unbelievable if you didn't see it yourself. When the area got flooded, they condemned it and built industrial stuff there.