Oh, one last thing. Has anyone called Ingebretson's to ask about the a/e controversy with Svenske/a? Is it just a matter of using the word as an adjective in a masculine or feminine way?
For what it's worth, Phyllis McGuire of the McGuire Sisters singing group, dated mobster Sam Giancana. She was his moll I guess you could say. The Andrew's sisters were born in Mound, MN.
Personally I would think the first part of the clue would be talking about the bridge. Once it was built in 1884, everyone could go by at a quickened pace from before when they had to cross the valley and the railroad tracks, or else go around it somehow.
#7 could be giving us the west side and #8 nailing it in closer to Chair-O-Key, with Castle Royale beneath under the bluffs.
I've now gotten #5 to fit Chair-O-Key with the post here explaining "beasts exposed" with the sign saying/about viewing wildlife. I still need to see if there's a tower on a climby-slidey thighy in the Tot Lot. That would then cinch the Clue.
Still... The "impressive arbor" of #3 could be referring to "forest" on the SH sign. And I wonder about #6 fitting Chair-O-Key as well as it does SH.
Sometimes I wish to christ I'd never stumbled on that one single Clue in '98 while googling something I needed at 3M. That one simple instance has - other than one not so simple instance - done more to change my life than anything.
Wolf: i understand the connection of Sprinsteen's song to SH; how is Bruce Springsteen tied in with the hunt? I may have missed that post while sleeping last night...
I was thinking perhaps they meant the German moll played there as a child, but it doesn't look like there was much of a German population at Swede Hollow.
In Steve Thayer's book, "Silent Snow", there's a lot of chasing of gangsters across the High Bridge. The story revolves around a kidnapping from a Summit Ave. mansion. It's a fun book to read and even a Nazi femme fatale in the story line.
SILENT SNOW Steve Thayer (Viking, $24.95) A moody sequel to the 1995 thriller The Weatherman that involves everything but the kitchen sink -- a copycat Lindbergh kidnapping, ghosts, a Nazi femme fatale, a monstrous, black-clad assassin straight out of the WWF -- Silent Snow maneuvers the fine line between highbrow suspense and lowbrow pulp. This time around, disfigured Vietnam vet-turned-ace reporter Rick Beanblossom must probe the abduction of his own child, seized on the anniversary of the infamous baby snatching. Thayer's thoughtful intertwining of the present crime with 1932 flashbacks is only undermined by campy, gothic set pieces seemingly inspired by classic Universal horror films
Allison, my cuddly, furry friend - hope your burfday was GREAT! - that's what I think. The German population was on the West Side as well as playing/performing - stars crossing paths - at Castle Royale. There's sssoooo much similarity between SH and the West Side which has Chair-O-Key and Prospect Parks...
Cherokee Park noodles: The southwest tip of the park is Bruce Vento's View (THG); Vento Trail there, which is linked to SH, and Duluth and Case Rec and up to Lake Phalen; "Great River Road" sign; Big green sign that says Lilydale; green: thre are swins there (two sets) and a tot lot off Curtice st. and Chippewa.But I dont see how gansters and German doll-molls connect...
The saints and sinners, winners and losers speeding by at a quickened pace makes me think of the finish of the st paul marathon near the cathedral where the are "saints and sinners" and "winners and losers".
I have theory formulating that I'm not ready to divulge.
"A devout Baptist committed to moral reform, Harriet Bishop opened a Female Seminary in 1850 and helped establish many charitable societies in Saint Paul. She also promoted temperance.."
Are those the Hylex Drops that I remember so well at St Paul Winter Carnival parades? I read that those were almost destroyed but someone save the Drops.
I think it is interesting that they haven't said it is in a park yet either... but the book "On The Street Where You Live" is actually by Don Empson-- Boxmeyer wrote the forward.
I do agree that Molly is traditionally a nickname for Mary. But then to go from Moll=Molly=Mary to Maria seems like it is just stretching it too far. (But that is not to say that the CW wouldn't take that stretch, just that I think it is stretching the connection).
I found a map of St. Paul Circa 1900. The streets around Swede Hollow are different. Anyone know when Payne Avenue was extended? It use to end at Minnehaha and then other streets snaked around the area that is now Swede Hollow.
There is a long list at the end of this link to all of the topics on gansters in St. Paul, collected by the author of Dillinger Slept Here. It lists people and places to noodle.
One of my favorite TC books is Millet's AIA Guide to the Twin Cities. In it, he talks about the architecture of current and lost houses all over the place.
Near the Hamms mansion, many of the current and lost houses were owned by Germans.
I highly recommend this book for sightseeing in your own community as well as help with the hunt.
http://www.cmgww.com/music/andrews/
http://www.brucespringsteen.net/songs/LandOfHopeAndDreams.html
I've now gotten #5 to fit Chair-O-Key with the post here explaining "beasts exposed" with the sign saying/about viewing wildlife. I still need to see if there's a tower on a climby-slidey thighy in the Tot Lot. That would then cinch the Clue.
Still... The "impressive arbor" of #3 could be referring to "forest" on the SH sign. And I wonder about #6 fitting Chair-O-Key as well as it does SH.
Sometimes I wish to christ I'd never stumbled on that one single Clue in '98 while googling something I needed at 3M. That one simple instance has - other than one not so simple instance - done more to change my life than anything.
Who'da thunk?
SILENT SNOW Steve Thayer (Viking, $24.95) A moody sequel to the 1995 thriller The Weatherman that involves everything but the kitchen sink -- a copycat Lindbergh kidnapping, ghosts, a Nazi femme fatale, a monstrous, black-clad assassin straight out of the WWF -- Silent Snow maneuvers the fine line between highbrow suspense and lowbrow pulp. This time around, disfigured Vietnam vet-turned-ace reporter Rick Beanblossom must probe the abduction of his own child, seized on the anniversary of the infamous baby snatching. Thayer's thoughtful intertwining of the present crime with 1932 flashbacks is only undermined by campy, gothic set pieces seemingly inspired by classic Universal horror films
 :pbpt:
Very good Clues/Hunt.
Harriet Bishop
(1817-1883)
St. PaulÂ’s first public school teacher
I dont' know if I would want her teaching my kids:
I have theory formulating that I'm not ready to divulge.
Well, she wasn't the Moll I am looking for.
Thanks Neecie
There is a long list at the end of this link to all of the topics on gansters in St. Paul, collected by the author of Dillinger Slept Here. It lists people and places to noodle.
By Paul Maccabee
Edition: illustrated
Published by Minnesota Historical Society Press, 1995
ISBN 0873513150, 9780873513159
362 pages
I don't have a copy
The German moll could have played there, or the West Side Flats as a child.
I'm off for my Sunday nap. Had my Velveeta Mac & Cheese and soon the Sunday Stupid Movie will be coming on. Maybe I'll dream of something.
West Side, in my mind, looks good with this Clue - better than Swede Hollow...But have a problem with #3 and #6.
Later, 'Gators.
Great book. I've really enjoyed reading it.
Near the Hamms mansion, many of the current and lost houses were owned by Germans.
I highly recommend this book for sightseeing in your own community as well as help with the hunt.